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Outage Notification - 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC
by Mike McGrath 24 Aug '23

24 Aug '23

There will be an outage starting at 2009-07-01 01:00 UTC, which will last approximately 2 hours. To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Infrastructure/UTCHowto or run: date -d '2009-07-01 01:00 UTC' Affected Services: Buildsystem CVS / Source Control Unaffected Services: Database DNS Fedora Hosted Fedora People Fedora Talk Mail Mirror System Torrent Translation Services Websites Ticket Link: https://fedorahosted.org/fedora-infrastructure/ticket/1496 Reason for Outage: Final migration step for new cvs server. It will hopefully be offline for only 30-45 minutes. The additional time is for some further tuning if needed and some verification steps. Contact Information: Please join #fedora-admin in irc.freenode.net or respond to this email to track the status of this outage. _______________________________________________ Fedora-devel-announce mailing list Fedora-devel-announce(a)redhat.com https://www.redhat.com/mailman/listinfo/fedora-devel-announce

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F36 Change: Default To Noto Fonts (System-Wide Change proposal)
by Ben Cotton 01 Jul '23

01 Jul '23

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultToNotoFonts == Summary == Changing the default fonts for various languages to Noto Fonts as much as possible, to make consistency on the text rendering. == Owner == * Name: [[User:Tagoh|Akira TAGOH]] * Email: <tagoh(a)redhat.com> == Detailed Description == For a long time we have used DejaVu fonts as the default font for European and other language scripts. On the other hand some language scripts are not covered by DejaVu and hence have other default fonts. (A few languages like Chinese, Japanese and Korean, as well as Gurmukhi, Sinhala, and emoji are already using Noto fonts by default for some time.) This situation leads to inconsistencies in text rendering on applications and desktops, particularly when mixing different character sets. Further Noto fonts bring some further advantages: the fonts are generally higher quality and support variable fonts for most scripts, making them more compact. This change aims to provide better experience and consistent text rendering across more languages by replacing DejaVu with Noto as the general system default set of fonts. The following packages will be installed by default to replace DejaVu's coverage: * google-noto-sans-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-hebrew-vf-fonts * google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts * google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts * google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts And you can check [https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table] to see what languages will be affected by this change. == Benefit to Fedora == We would get better text rendering on applications and desktops. Also this change should save about 6MB on the fresh install. <pre> $ rpm -qlv dejavu-sans-fonts dejavu-serif-fonts dejavu-sans-mono-fonts | awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print a}' 10789272</pre> <pre> $ rpm -qlv google-noto-sans-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-mono-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-arabic-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-cherokee-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-thaana-vf-fonts google-noto -sans-hebrew-vf-fonts google-noto-rashi-hebrew-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-math-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-armenian-vf-f onts google-noto-serif-armenian-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-canadian-aboriginal-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-georgian-vf-f onts google-noto-serif-georgian-vf-fonts google-noto-sans-lao-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-lao-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-gurmukhi-vf-fonts google-noto-serif-sinhala-vf-fonts | awk 'BEGIN{a=0}{a+=$5}END{print a}' 4753340 </pre> == Scope == * Proposal owners: ** Update google-noto-fonts and dejavu-fonts to change the priority for fontconfig config. ** Update langpacks to update the dependency. ** Update comps to make Noto fonts default. ** Update lorax templates related to DejaVu. ** Update fontconfig to change the order of fonts in the builtin config. * Other developers: ** Packagers who owns packages implicitly expects DejaVu is installed by default will needs to update the dependency for them. * Release engineering: [https://pagure.io/releng/issue/10492 #10492] * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change) * Alignment with Objectives: == Upgrade/compatibility impact == The migration will be done by updating langpacks. after upgrading and rebooting, the default font will be Noto instead of DejaVu. Since this change aims to switch non-variable fonts to variable fonts, it may not works with legacy applications as expected such as missing some variants. in that case, you can install non-variable fonts packages. the package name will be similar and simply drop `-vf` from the variable fonts packages. == How To Test == * This change can be simply tested by `fc-match` command like `fc-match sans:lang=<your langauge>`, `fc-match serif:lang=<your language>` and `fc-match monospace:lang=<your language>`. You can check the expected result from [https://tagoh.fedorapeople.org/fonts/noto/f36-noto.html the table]. * Test the text rendering in your favorite application, which use the system default font. == User Experience == Users will see the default font is changed to Noto by this change except for some languages which has much better quality of fonts. == Dependencies == Only dejavu-fonts, langpacks, and fontconfig are required to update. Other packages which explicitly has a dependency to dejavu-fonts are basicaly optional to update. == Contingency Plan == * Contingency mechanism: Revert the relevant packages updated. * Contingency deadline: Beta freeze * Blocks release? No == Documentation == None. == Release Notes == The default fonts for most languages will be Google Noto fonts instead of DejaVu, to keep consistency on the text rendering and to provide better quality among languages. -- Ben Cotton He / Him / His Fedora Program Manager Red Hat TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

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RISC-V -- are we ready for more, and what do we need to do it?
by Matthew Miller 11 Jun '23

11 Jun '23

Hi all! I just got back from Open Source Summit, several of the talks I found interesting were on RISC-V -- a high-level one about the organizational structure, and Drew Fustini's more technical talk. In that, he noted that there's a Fedora build *, but it isn't an official Fedora arch. As I understand it, the major infrastructure blocker is simply that there isn't server-class hardware (let alone hardware that will build fast enough that it isn't a frustrating bottleneck). So, one question is: if we used, say, ARM or x86_64 Amazon cloud instances as builders, could we build fast enough under QEMU emulation to work? We have a nice early advantage, but if we don't keep moving, we'll lose that. But beyond that: What other things might be limits? Are there key bits of the distro which don't build yet? Is there a big enough risc-v team to respond to arch-specific build failures? And, do we have enough people to do QA around release time? * see http://fedora.riscv.rocks/koji/ -- Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> Fedora Project Leader

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Self Introduction: Andreas Vögele
by Andreas Vögele 05 Jun '23

05 Jun '23

Hello Fedora developers, I'm Andreas from Stuttgart in Germany. I'm a system administrator and software developer, who moved his computers to Fedora about a year ago. I've written a handful of Perl modules that I package at the Open Build Service and Copr. I'd like to maintain some of these modules directly in Fedora. In the past, I maintained ports of other software at SlackBuilds.org and OpenBSD. Occasionally, I contribute patches to free software projects. I enjoy programming in C, Perl and recently Kotlin. Kind regards, Andreas

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Review request for oclock package (orphaned since F35)
by Globe Trotter 14 May '23

14 May '23

Hello, Anyone willing to review this request for a recently (>8 weeks) orphaned package? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2025138 Happy to review in return.

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Conflicting build-ids in nekovm and haxe
by Andy Li 07 May '23

07 May '23

Hi list, Re. https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1896901 Since haxe-4.1.3-4 and nekovm-2.3.0-4, both nekovm and haxe packages contains "/usr/lib/.build-id/b0/aed4ddf2d45372bcc79d5e95d2834f5045c09c". The nekovm one is a symlink to "/usr/bin/neko". The haxe one to "/usr/bin/haxelib". Both the neko and haxelib binaries are built with libneko, with a nearly identical main.c with the only difference of the present of neko bytecode embedded as a byte array (neko: the byte array is null; haxelib: the byte array is the haxelib neko bytecode). I'm not sure how to resolve it. Please advice. Best regards, Andy

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can't install package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit
by Martin Gansser 12 Mar '23

12 Mar '23

Hi, when trying to install pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit i get this error message: # dnf -y install pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit Last metadata expiration check: 1:39:52 ago on Thu Dec 31 14:10:39 2020. Error: Problem: problem with installed package jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.14-5.fc33.x86_64 - package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.13-4.fc33.i686 conflicts with jack-audio-connection-kit provided by jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.14-5.fc33.x86_64 - conflicting requests - package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.15-2.fc33.i686 conflicts with jack-audio-connection-kit provided by jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.14-5.fc33.x86_64 - package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.13-4.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with jack-audio-connection-kit provided by jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.14-5.fc33.x86_64 - package pipewire-jack-audio-connection-kit-0.3.15-2.fc33.x86_64 conflicts with jack-audio-connection-kit provided by jack-audio-connection-kit-1.9.14-5.fc33.x86_64 (try to add '--allowerasing' to command line to replace conflicting packages or '--skip-broken' to skip uninstallable packages) How can i fix this ? Regards Martin

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Planning to start unifying native and mingw packages
by Sandro Mani 09 Mar '23

09 Mar '23

Hi Following recent discussions and to reduce the maintenance burden, I'm planning to start merging native and mingw packages. Initially, I'll be looking at these packages where I maintain both variants: eigen3 mingw-eigen3 enchant2 mingw-enchant2 freeimage mingw-freeimage gdal mingw-gdal GeographicLib mingw-GeographicLib geos mingw-geos giflib mingw-giflib gtkspell3 mingw-gtkspell3 gtkspellmm30 mingw-gtkspellmm30 jxrlib mingw-jxrlib leptonica mingw-leptonica libgeotiff mingw-libgeotiff libimagequant mingw-libimagequant libkml mingw-libkml librttopo mingw-librttopo libspatialite mingw-libspatialite libwebp mingw-libwebp openjpeg2 mingw-openjpeg2 OpenSceneGraph mingw-OpenSceneGraph osgearth mingw-osgearth podofo mingw-podofo proj mingw-proj python-pillow mingw-python-pillow qtspell mingw-qtspell shapelib mingw-shapelib svg2svgt mingw-svg2svgt tesseract mingw-tesseract uriparser mingw-uriparser I'm performing test builds here [1]. Once I've got them all building there, if there are no objections, I plan to push to F37 and retire all the corresponding mingw repos. Sandro [1] https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/smani/mingw-unified-spec/builds/

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x86_64-v2 in Fedora
by Neal Gompa 02 Feb '23

02 Feb '23

Hey all, Earlier this week, I was helping with processing features for openSUSE Leap 15.4[1] and I discovered that they're planning on introducing x86_64-v2 to openSUSE soon. The reference for this change was that RHEL 9 is going to use x86_64-v2[2]. Additionally, other distributions have been considering bumping up to v2 or v3[3][4]. Some cursory examination of the new x86_64 sublevels seem to indicate that x86_64-v2 goes back to roughly 2007~2008, merely cutting off the first couple of generations of x86_64 CPUs from Intel and AMD. I personally don't have any computers that don't have support for x86_64-v2 anymore. Does anyone know if anyone is planning to propose this for Fedora anytime soon, either as an addon architecture (like what Arch is doing) or an upgrade of our x86_64 baseline like RHEL is doing? [1]: https://en.opensuse.org/Feature_Planning_15.4 [2]: https://developers.redhat.com/blog/2021/01/05/building-red-hat-enterprise-l… [3]: https://ml.mageia.org/l/arc/dev/2021-02/msg00583.html [4]: https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=news_item&px=Arch-Linux-x86-64-v3-Po… -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

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FESCo wants to know what you use i686 packages for
by David Cantrell 17 Jan '23

17 Jan '23

Hi, Our most recent FESCo meeting involved discussing the proposal to drop i686 builds of jdk8,11,17 from Fedora 37 onward. The topic quickly changed to the larger question of "what do people use i686 packages for?" Rather than guess, we wanted to ask the community what you use i686 packages for in Fedora. There are no wrong answers here. We are seeking information. Why? Since the removal of the i686 kernel in Fedora, we want to reduce the number of i686 packages provided in the repo. As time marches on, the ability to build a lot of things for i686 becomes unrealistic or even impossible. Remember it goes beyond providing builds...providing support, bug fixes, and security fixes for those packages too. Maybe some things using i686 packages now can move to x86_64 packages. We do not know yet, but a goal is to figure out what packages, if anything, can drop their i686 builds. NOTE: Nothing is changing now. We are in an information gathering phase. ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ If you use i686 packages for something now, please respond to this thread. Thanks, -- David Cantrell <dcantrell(a)redhat.com> Red Hat, Inc. | Boston, MA | EST5EDT

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