On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 12:47, Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> wrote:
On Wed, Nov 28, 2018 at 12:40 PM Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On Wed, 28 Nov 2018 at 11:37, Owen Taylor <otaylor(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > Fedora needs to be an operating system provider, not just an operating
> > system toolbox provider. <cut>
> I feel like we have been saying this for 15+ years even before Fedora
> was Fedora. Even back in the RHL days, we would argue over whether
> what we were providing was an 'OS' or not versus a toolkit for someone
> else to work with.
I don't think we've just been saying this, I think we've been steadily
improving in this area - both in our focus and in our processes. The
move to editions was particularly helpful.
I didn't mean to assume we haven't improved on it, but I do believe it
is the central 'conflict' we have had. My main worry is that can we
actually achieve being an "operating system provider" or are we always
going to be a toolbox who isn't happy with itself? (or thirdly, are we
already an operating system provider with delusions of being a
How can we know if we actually are still making progress if we each
have a different definition of what that operating system is.
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