On 5/18/20 8:24 PM, Michael Catanzaro wrote:
Dude, chill out. We're not going to go back to running X as root. The
Nvidia overclocking tool is just not important at all (seriously, who
cares?). If you're upset their proprietary software doesn't work
anymore, you can ask them nicely to fix it please... or ask for the
source code, and see how far that gets you. ;)
I'm well aware Fedora has no interest in correcting its breakage of
backwards compatibility. If you'd actually read all the messages you'd
realize it was all in the name of explaining why distros can't be
trusted to package software and shouldn't do it, including Java
applications. It went down this path naturally, as discussions tend to
do and have on this very mailing list without my involvement.
(someone tried changing the subject line, but as I pointed out, I was
just trying to explain why, as objectively as possible, it wasn't as
perfect of a solution as they claim)
Of course, instead of reading everything, you decided to make a snide,
unfriendly remark that probably violates the CoC. Given you have a Gnome
email address I guess I can't say I'm surprised you take the position
that you do. Afterall, Gnome has angered many great, talented, and
independent extension developers including, IIRC, the developer of one
of those most widely used tray icon extensions at the time who later
quit out of frustration because Gnome kept breaking things. Indeed,
people in general complain about Gnome not playing nice with others.
I'd love to see CoC enforcement on this, but I feel like I'd die of old
age before that ever happens.
Ugh, I just noticed the subject of this thread is Java SIG. Amazing
how thoroughly this conversation has been derailed....
Maybe people shouldn't make claims that amount to "packaging software
for each distro is the only way to do things" despite plenty of evidence
to the contrary.
The kernel gets rebased continuously throughout the life of a Fedora
release. mesa updates are also possible when required, especially at
the beginning of a release's lifetime. If there are bugs, you can work
with the package maintainers....
The issues being talked about aren't specific to Fedora. Fedora does do
a better job than average on these sort of things.
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