On Tue, 2013-02-05 at 11:12 +0100, Ralf Corsepius wrote:
You never heard sentences like:
* "What you can cope with Fedora? Is the GUI still this unusable beta crap?"
I did (Usually from Ubuntu users), and am not happy having to hear this.
You never heard Ubuntu users pondering a switch to Fedora 18 because
GNOME 3 on Ubuntu is a mix and match of GNOME components in different
versions, not working very well together?
I did.
Sigh, let me try again: The Fedora project is pushing away Fedora
users
from Fedora, because Fedora/RH have missed that it's "new DE" (Gnome3)
is addressing a different audience than Gnome2 did.
The Gnome3 audience is not the classical Fedora user base (Linux devs),
it's the Android/iOS adicted "wipe/tile kidz".
I.e. if Fedora wants to keep their "old user-base" you need to offer
them alternatives, and not to be stubborn on Gnome 3 for whatever reasons.
This is a gross generalization.
I was a GNOME 2 user, and am still a GNOME 3 user.
I loved GNOME 2 for their focus on simplicity and not getting in my way,
and I love GNOME 3 even more as they went even further in that
direction.
My $dayjob is to make a RHEL/Fedora derivative distro, does that fall in
what you characterize "the classical Fedora user base (Linux devs)"?
I have never owned any Android/iOS device, am I a 'Android/iOS adicted
"wipe/tile kidz"'?
Can you please stop pigeonholing people this way?
Agreed, as I wrote earlier on in this thread, to me, Cinnamon is not
sufficiently away from Gnome3 to justify switching. OK with me, if other
people want to use it, but do NOT FORCE me to use either!
Nobody is forcing you to do anything...
I find it surprising that you keep saying that new users should be able
to read a few paragraphs before choosing the desktop they want to
download, and yet you (a seasoned Fedora contributor) didn't manage to
read the following:
More download options...
Or even:
Other Options
Formats: DVD ISOs, Physical Media
Desktops: KDE, Xfce, GNOME, and others
Spins: Games, Design, Security, and others
Cloud: EC2 Cloud Images
Secondary Arches: ARM, s390, PPC
View more Fedora options...
That's all prominently listed on the main download page:
http://fedoraproject.org/get-fedora
--
Mathieu