On 4/2/20 3:15 AM, clime wrote:
On Wed, 1 Apr 2020 at 23:22, Paul Frields <stickster(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
>
> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 7:03 AM Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> On Wed, Apr 1, 2020 at 6:52 AM Nicolas Mailhot via devel
>> <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org> wrote:
>>>
>>> Le mercredi 01 avril 2020 à 11:30 +0100, Leigh Griffin a écrit :
>>>>
>>>> To distill it down:
>>>>
>>>> - Gitlab has more features that are needed right now for our
>>>> stakeholder group
>>>> - Gitlab has an entire company dedicated to roadmap features, we do
>>>> not.
>>>
>>> Unfortunately, Gitlab’s roadmap is also conflicting with Fedora
>>> objectives. The bread and butter of Gitlab is intermediating between
>>> devs and end users, culling free software intermediaries like
>>> distributions, and positionning itself in their stead. That is unlikely
>>> to result in any commitment to making distribution workflows work.
>>>
>>> That would not be a problem if the disintermediation worked, but like
>>> many actors Gitlab sees the $$$ and power in being the
>>> desintermediator, and does not care if the result is deffective, as
>>> long as $$$ and power flows its way.
>>>
>>
>> It's also important to note that at the core of GitLab's incentive
>> model is that they want to remove incentives to use FOSS solutions in
>> favor of their unified proprietary solution. They are constantly
>> integrating features and capabilities into the proprietary parts to
>> make it "juicier" for enterprises who don't really have a
compunction
>> about whether they are using Free Software solutions or not, or even
>> may not be willing to support them if it was Free Software because of
>> outmoded thinking.
>>
>> The consequence of this is that it starves interest and development in
>> FOSS solutions, and contributes to making the FOSS ecosystem weaker
>> over time.
>
> That statement rings hollow for me, when Github is arguably the single
> biggest vendor of open source in the world, no part of itself is open
> source, and thanks to its pervasiveness, open source has won the war
> of how development should work.
This is imho a contradictory statement. Github, being closed source
and pervasive, is a proof that open-source has won?
Yes, this really is a bizarre statement.
It also assumes people are perfectly okay with this, whereas many of us
are disgusted to the bone by this situation.
- Panu -