On Fri, Oct 5, 2018 at 10:20 AM, Matthew Miller
<mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
On Fri, Oct 05, 2018 at 02:02:46AM +0100, Andrew Clayton wrote:
> Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> > On Thu, 2018-10-04 at 17:32 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> > > The fact is, the world has moved away from quoted mail with inline
replies.
> > > Top posting rules basically everywhere except hold-out old-school mailing
> > > lists.
> > ...like this one. ;)
> His email was from mutt as well! I guess fedora-devel just isn't
> old-school enough :(
Okay, I admit to some level of trolling there. :)
My point, though, is that I don't think we can afford to be exclusively
old-school to the point where it makes a significant barrier to entry.
I agree.
And I think this needs rephrasing since forever:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Mailing_list_guidelines
Place each part of your reply after the text it addresses (i.e., NO
Top-Posting, please see "Wikipedia - Top Posting" and links therein
for more on this).
It's one thing to state a preference for bottom posting, and why. But
the present guidelines encourage people to flip out whenever there's a
top post.
Top-posting isn't just an annoying Gmail thing; it's a whole
different
approach to using email for conversations. And, yeah, it *is* a much worse
one than our old-school threaded, minimal-quoting, usenet-inspired style.
That's why the general trend is *away* from email.
For all the faults of gmail, one thing I like is being able to search
lists within gmail.
The Foreman community recently switched away from mailing lists in this way,
and
https://theforeman.org/2018/07/discourse-6-months-on-impact-assesment.html
is really interesting and helpful read on the topic for those who might have
some ... trepidation.
I'm not sayin' we are ready to shut this list down, but it's honestly worth
considering if a different approach will be more effective.
Far worse would be fragmented list/forums resulting from mutually
exclusive venues. It's probably a joke and not worth the effort to
have automagic behind the scenes cross posting between discourse
forums and hyperkitty (email) lists.
--
Chris Murphy