Well, as just I saw "xscreensaver" word here:
Ty Young wrote on 2020/05/14 20:33:
On 5/13/20 4:58 PM, Solomon Peachy wrote:
> On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 04:04:50PM -0500, Ty Young wrote:
>> Anyway, I'm just asking that Fedora not repeat what Debian did. While
>> I find it to be a bit paranoid, I understand the concerns regarding
>> someone sneaking in malware into pre-build binaries. I'm just asking
>> Fedora not package the software at all in that case, or any software
>> that depends on that software if possible. People who want to support
>> Linux by writing software shouldn't be bothered with bug reports from
>> issues they never created to begin with.
> "Fedora" doesn't package software; individuals do. Those individuals
> are free to package whatever they like, and Fedora will distribute those
> packages if they meet the well-established packaging criteria.
Whichever you choose. Large projects like Gnome and Fedora refer to themselves as one
large organization one minute and then as individuals the next. It reminds me of how
everyone says "Linux" is less resource hungry then Windows but "Linux"
is just a kernel, as those same people will often say in "Linux"'s defense.
and it's those "well-established" packaging criteria are the reason people
stopped packaging Java software for Fedora, according to many emails.
> Those packagers, and Fedora, are "supporting Linux".
The amount of disdain and disrespect for third-party, and/or independent software
developers and/or creators who don't conform to your clubhouse rules is palpable.
> Meanwhile, for every distribution-created "bug" there are ten thousand
> that created by the upstream authors. Most upstreams are mature enough
> to recognize this, and consider distribution-level packaging (and
> front-line user support) efforts to be, on the whole, a net gain.
Nonsense spewing with no proof.
The Debian Xscreensaver fiasco is enough proof that contradicts your ridiculous claims
and there are plenty more, including:
Perhaps you don't know, but me, Debian maintainer Tormod Volden and the upstream jwz
are talking with
good relation these days.
> * Game developers largely refuse to support Linux, and the some of the few that have
have or are currently pulling support citing fragmentation(support) issues.
> * Hardware support for AMD GPUs is all over the place and even if technically
supported, can be too buggy to use. This is largely because kernel/mesa versions are all
over the place.
> * Some software packaged even in large Linux distros like Ubuntu as part of their
enabled-by-default repos don't even launch. Codeblocks in around 16.04, IIRC,
didn't even launch once you install it. You had to use their privately hosted repo to
install a newer version.
> * You often need to install third-party repos to get up-to-date software since
packages are way too slow, or the distros just choose to use very old software(Debian).
> * Bugs fixed in newer versions of Gnome shell aren't backported to older
versions. It looks like they have extended support, but I doubt it's for the same
amount of time Ubuntu supports an LTS. Even if it did, only newer Gnome shell versions are
supported for that long. 18.04 probably has shell bugs right now that are fixed in newer
> * There have been security bugs found in packaged software like Grub that have
existed in years despite being one of the most widely packaged and used software on
> * Linux distros do not resolve dependancy conflicts correctly. Ubuntu last time I
checked still requires you manually install 32-bit libs in order to launch Steam instead
of doing that for the user.
> * Linux distro GUI package managers are generally poorly designed and buggy. That
screenshot of Fedora's cinnamon spin's packager manager GUI I posted here showed
that plenty. Other distros aren't much better. Manjaro/Arch Linux's
"Pamac" GUI had a bug where it sees itself as a running package manager instance
and refused to upgrade or install software on a failed AUR software build/install.
> * Linux distros "taint" software they package and install by, for example,
enabling shell extensions in Gnome by default. This more likely than not results in false
bug reports. Fedora even does this!
> I could literally go on and on. The "my-shit-don't-stink" attitude is
so terrible it's borderline sad.
>> - Solomon