Re: F38 proposal: Fedora Sway Spin (Self-Contained Change proposal)
Major,
On 2022-12-03 02:27, Major Hayden wrote:
On 12/1/22 11:35, Ben Cotton wrote:
> == Detailed Description ==
> Fedora Window Manager spins greatly benefit users who enjoy a minimal
> desktop. Sway is beginning to become well polished and is continuing
> to gain traction from the community. Fedora particularly has a
> first-class Wayland experience making an even more compelling use case
> for having a Wayland window manager spin.
Great idea! I've been on Sway for a few Fedora releases and it's been a
pleasure to use. I also like keeping a fairly minimal system and Sway
makes that a little easier.
+1
> For those reasons, we propose to create a Sway spin and an ostree
one,
> called `Sericea`.
That _could_ be interesting for me in the future . .
What made you choose the name? (Just curious.)
I had to go look it up[0].
> The goal of both spins would be to create a turnkey environment to
> enjoy Fedora and Sway functionally and beautifully.
> To achieve this, we plan to put in those spins the minimum amount of
> packages to accomplish the stated goal. [[User:alebastr| Aleksei
> Bavshin]] has begun an
> [https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/sway/pull-request/12 RFC] for the
> `sway` source package that would extend it by creating three
> sub-packages with Fedora's default Sway configuration.
Good idea on the splitting. I believe this was done recently for i3,
too.
+1
> == Feedback ==
> Feedback has been low at the moment.
> We have seen wildly different feedback, from people saying they liked
> the idea and would use it to others who do not see the value of it and
> will probably not use it.
> Some commenters highlighted that this isn't worthwhile for them as
> they would prefer to have Gnome installed alongside Sway.
-1
> There have
> also been comments that some users like having a minimal package set
> that only includes Sway and don't want a two-step process to get to
> their environment, which would be the situation if they install a spin
> that is not Sway and then have to install Sway on top.
+1
I've installed Sway several times through the two-step process
and
although it's not too difficult, it's not easy for new users. This
means
each user must determine which Sway packages and related extras
(perhaps
mako, wofi, etc) that they want to add. There's a great opportunity
here
for people who know a lot about Sway to create an awesome installation
experience as well as a good Sway setup after the reboot.
+1 Minimal Sway + easy package add for experts . .
The two-step process leaves me to make a lot of those decisions and
look
up which extra applications I need to add.
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
> Like the introduction of the i3 Spin, this change benefits end-users
> who run Fedora on a desktop or laptop, particularly low-end
> consumer-grade hardware.
Yes! (for my old Zenbook . .)
> A Sway Spin would provide a better initial installation
experience for
> Fedora users installing Sway for the first time. Currently, end-users
> who wish to use Sway on Fedora must install another Edition or Spin of
> Fedora, then install the Sway window manager (and related packages)
> separately. Also, at the moment, the process is not documented in
> Fedora documentation, forcing the user to use an external guide or
> tutorial.
It was only a little annoying but it could be perfect with a Minimal
Sway install.
> Additionally, this "two-step" (first install Fedora,
then install Sway
> on top of it) method adds unnecessary packages to the user's system,
Exactly!
> particularly if the end-user does not wish to use another
desktop
> environment. One of Fedora's foundations is being "First".
> We believe that, in this situation, being committed to being "First"
> means pushing the boundaries of Sway and Wayland by shipping the first
> Fedora Spin that is based on a Wayland-only Window Manager.
+2 !
Well said. Thanks for proposing this change. 👏🏻
+1
Phil.
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