2017-06-13 13:54 GMT+02:00 Roman Pavelka <rpavelka@redhat.com>:

> It does not inspire confidence that the person(s) proposing this Change understand the potential fallout.
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> what packages in Fedora parse the rsyslog output and make sure that they are capable of handling the change.

Everyone is free to change his log's format, our proposed new default is even between templates packaged together with rsyslog under the name "RSYSLOG_FileFormat" (What we currently have default is "RSYSLOG_TraditionalFileFormat").

When some package will break because someone adjusted format of timestamps, the bug is in that package and not in the rsyslog's format.

That’s not how Linux distributions work. Linux distributions are supposed to provide a set of packages which work well together, and just washing our hands off the brokenness and impact on users like the above would be counter to that.

I think it’s the responsibility of the proponents of the change to come up with a plan; the Change process was pretty much instituted exactly so that there actually is some plan for seeing through breaking changes.

Now, “the plan” could still be “the proponents of the change will not do anything, it’s up to the individual maintainers to review and fix their software; they are being put on notice by the existence of this Change”, and while some Changes really are like that (typically “upgrade to new version of $widely_used_library”, where there is no other practical alternative), I’d expect FESCo as the elected representatives of the whole community to prefer better-coordinated plans with less risk of breakage — and in this case FESCo has explicitly asked for a better plan.

Mirek