Re: [Fwd: Orphaned packages to be retired (Java packages in 2 weeks)]

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 13:22, Ralf Corsepius <rc040203(a)freenet.de&gt; wrote:

>  On 3/19/19 11:01 AM, Stelian Iancu wrote:
>  > On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 7:35 AM Emmanuel Seyman <emmanuel(a)seyman.fr&gt;
>  wrote:
>  >>
>  >> * Sérgio Basto [19/03/2019 00:03] :
>  >>>
>  >>> I though it was just one person which decide orphan his 259 packages
>  >>
>  >> Mikolaj is the last actif member of the Java SIG.
>
>  And who is guilty for this?
>
>  
One of the reasons that there was a Java SIG long ago was that Java
packaging was an ugly sewage pile of software. Java had its own way of
doing things which didn't match how Fedora wanted things packaged.. and it
took a LOT of work to unbundle, unhook, and clean up. Over time, the number
of people who a) want to work on that and b) get the constant 'oooh yuck
its java.. why would anyone work on that?' took its toll and people left.

The same thing is happening in most other SIG's.. it is thankless work
especially when people are always good about telling how it should have
been done instead. The number of people active in them gets smaller over
time with everyone else thinking 'oh I don't need to worry about it there
is a SIG to take care of this.. when it turns out that it really is just 1
person still showing up.'



>  > I think the bigger question here is what is going to happen with
> the
>  Java SIG?
>  >
>  > In general, what is the situation of Java in Fedora?
>  I regret having to say this, but I think it's inevitable: Due to the
>  Java-"modularization" activities, Java in Fedora is going to be a matter
>  of the past, soon.
>
>  
Modularization is more like the dust particle hitting hyper saturated
solution. You are getting large amounts of participate falling out.. but
the 'problem' was there before just hidden in plain site.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2nJybaKOP0



>  Ralf
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Stephen J Smoogen.