stan píše v Po 17. 07. 2017 v 08:02 -0700:
On Mon, 17 Jul 2017 10:10:16 -0400
Matthew Miller <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org> wrote:
> We could look at starting a new brand. But, I don't think your
> Harley-Davidson analogy applies, because we're not using this to
> into a new market. We're using this to make sure that we remain
> relevant as the market we are in changes.
Except the whole market isn't changing. It is just a new niche
up. It's like Gnome3 deciding to convert the desktop interface for
mobile, creating a hybrid that tries to satisfy both, but hits the
sweet spot for neither. They would have been better off with a new
product targeted at mobiles exclusively, called maybe goblin or
while retaining their old brand, gnome2, to satisfy existing desktop
users who were happy with the paradigm embodied in that brand.
> Let's take the current shift
> to electric cars as a branding analogy — GM *could* have gone with
> whole new name, but instead we have the Chevrolet Volt. (And Nissan
> Leaf. And Ford is even reusing the "Focus" name.)
> I think this matches our current and upcoming challenge more
I think you are agreeing with him. GM didn't convert the chevy
to electric. They created a new brand. People who want an IC malibu
still can buy one, and know it isn't going to be electric tomorrow,
leaving them high and dry. And those who want to dip a toe into the
Ecar market, can try it out from a brand they trust. Just like the
Except they didn't really create a new car brand, just a model brand.
No one is saying Fedora for desktop will be all flatpaks from now on.
There will be another flavour that will be called Fedora Atomic
Workstation alongside RPM-based Fedora Workstation. Just like
Chevrolet has electric Volt and traditional Malibu at the same time.
But no one in GM/Chevrolet is saying: No, the Chevrolet brand is
associated with combustion engines and it will stay that way forever.
GM is not spinning a new car company/brand for electric cars.
You say that they keep Malibu for people who want traditional cars, but
for how long? No one in GM is not gonna give you any promises because
if the market eventually shifts to electric cars they will just stop
doing the traditional cars. But the Chevrolet brand will stay.
I agree with Matt here, Fedora Project's mission (neither the old one,
nor the new draft) doesn't say anything about RPM. RPM is just means to
an end, not the goal. And I don't know why Fedora should be tied to RPM
forever. Really successful brands don't die when their current solution
stops being relevant, really successful brands are able to transition
themselves and stay relevant as the market shifts.
BTW we already have an official edition which doesn't use RPM as a
delivery system - Fedora Atomic and it's been part of the Fedora
Project for several years.
In my opinion, the equivalent for fedora would be to create a new
called gatsby or homburg that uses flatpaks. Maybe one waxes and one
wanes. Or maybe there is a fork. But what is being discussed now is
making an all or nothing bet on a new technology. Once rpm is ripped
out of fedora, it won't be coming back, in practical terms. There's
burning the ships sort of appeal in that approach, but it isn't the
most prudent path from an expected value perspective.
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