On Tue, 2020-03-31 at 13:55 -0400, Matthew Miller wrote:
> On Tue, Mar 31, 2020 at 10:44:35AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
> > I'm sorry, but I have to agree with Kevin and Michael here to a
> > significant extent. Running our own project on open source code has
> > always been a very big bright line for Fedora.
>
> You don't have to be sorry! I think it's very clear that this is the general
> community view.
>
> > I think Iñaki's take on the "oh, you contribute to Github projects so
> > no problem right?" angle is correct.
>
> Let me be sorry, though. That wasn't mean to be a "oh you..." statement. It
> was that other open source projects are not held to this standard, not to
> "gotcha" Michael or anyone else for their contributions elsewhere.
I mean, held by who? This is a standard we have (more or less) held
ourselves to. Which, if you think about it, means it's a standard
that's in our DNA: we're a group of people who *thought it was
important enough to hold ourselves to that standard*. Would it be
hypocritical for someone outside of Fedora who happily uses software
from other projects that are hosted on Github or whatever to criticize
us if we were to do this? Sure, it would be. But this here is not that,
it's us holding ourselves to our own standards.
Speaking personally, sure, I contribute to Github-hosted projects. I
maintain one project on Github (because it's extremely adjacent to
another project that's hosted on Github and the maintainers of that
project asked me to have it there, so I did). Hell, I send in fixes for
entirely proprietary things sometimes...because my overriding itch is,
if something is there, at least it had better *work* properly. But I
certainly would not consider hosting work that's a fundamental part of
Fedora on a proprietary system, I've always seen that as a *complete*
non-starter - whether we were considering test automation, result
tracking, event organization, anything like that, the very first rule
has always been, if it's not open source it's just not on the list at
all. And as far as I've noticed, that has been the same for all other
core Fedora stuff, for many years.
So, is it a high standard? Sure. Is it one many other projects don't
try to meet? Sure. But it's one that, as I see it, we have held for a
long time and that in itself creates a context and an expectation that
we can't just dismiss and say "oh, hey, about that? yeah, that doesn't
matter any more."
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Adam Williamson
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