On Wed, Apr 13, 2022 at 10:15 AM Vít Ondruch <vondruch@redhat.com> wrote:

Dne 12. 04. 22 v 22:54 Ben Cotton napsal(a):
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/MajorUpgradeOfMicrodnf
>
> == Summary ==
> A major upgrade of Microdnf is the first step in the evolution of
> package management in Fedora. The new microdnf has ambitions to
> provide all major features of DNF without losing its minimal
> footprint.
>
>
> == Owner ==
> * Name: [[User:jmracek| Jaroslav Mracek]]
> * Email: jmracek@redhat.com
>
>
> == Detailed Description ==
> The new major Microdnf will provide huge improvements and in some
> cases better behavior then DNF. In the future, the new Microdnf will
> replace DNF. The new Microdnf will be accompanied by a new library
> (`libdnf5`) and a new DNF Daemon.
>
> === MICRODNF features ===
> * Improved user experience
> ** Improved progress bars
> ** Improved transaction table
> ** Transaction progress reports including scriptlets reports
> ** Support of local rpm for transaction operation
> ** Great bash completion (better then DNF has)
>
> === LIBDNF5 features ===
>
> * Fully integrated Modularity in LIBDNF workflows
> ** Modularity is currently supported in DNF and LIBDNF, but it is not
> fully integrated due to limitations in compatibility with other tools
> (PackageKit)
> ** Fully integrated Modularity requires changes in library workflow
> * Unified user interface
> ** DNF/YUM was developed for decades with the impact of multiple
> styles and naming conventions (options, configuration options,
> commands)
> * Plugins
> ** DNF plugins are not applicable for PackageKit and Microdnf (e.g.
> versionlock, subscription-manager), therefore PackageKit behaves
> differently to DNF
> * New plugins (C++, Python) will be available for all users
> ** Unified behavior
> ** Removal of functional duplicates
> *** Decrease maintenance cost
> * Shared configurations
> ** In DNF4 the configuration is only partially honored by PackageKit
> and Microdnf
> * New Daemon
> ** The new daemon can provide an alternative to PackageKit for RPMs
> (only one backend of PackageKit) if it will be integrated into the
> Desktop
> * Additional improvements
> ** Reports in structure (API)
> *** DNF reports a lot of important information only in logs
> * Shared cache and improved cache handling (optional, not available in
> Fedora 38)
> ** Microdnf, DNF4, and PackageKit use cached repositories on a
> different location with different cache structure
> * Performance improvement
> ** Loading of repositories
> ** Advisory operation
> ** RPM query
> *** Name filters with a case-insensitive search
> ** Smart sharing of metadata between dnf, microdnf, daemon (optional,
> not available in Fedora 38)
> *** Reduce disk and downloads requirements
> * Relocation of internal databases into `/usr`
> ** Make rollback more easy
>
> === Downsides ===
> * Relocation of internal databases and different structure of internal databases
> ** The transaction performed by the new MICRODNF will be not visible by DNF
> ** The transaction performed by DNF or PackageKit will be not visible
> by the new MICRODNF



Thank you very much for very good questions.
 
Can you please elaborate what is the migration path?

 The new Microdnf will obsolete the old microdnf or new microdnf will have a higher version.

What precisely will
be using the MICRODNF/libdnf5 in F38.

The new Microdnf will use a new library `libdnf5` that will be parallel installable with `dnf` and `libdnf`
Will the DNF db be migrated?

Right now I do not have the answer for that.
 
When
the DNF will be dropped or the switch from DNF to MICRODNF will happen?

I am going to create a System Wide Change for Fedora 39 to replace DNF with the new Microdnf.
 
Jaroslav

Vít



> ** Packages installed by another packager will be handled as userinstalled
> *** Consequence => The removal of a package will not trigger removal
> of unused dependencies
> * Compatibility
> ** To improve user experience and to unify dnf/microdnf behavior we
> were unable to keep 100% compatibility with formal Microdnf in
> command-line and in behavior
>
>
> == Benefit to Fedora ==
> The new MICRODNF significantly improves the user experience and in the
> future it will provide all important features of DNF. It will also
> keep all advantages of the original MICRODNF, like minimal size
> required by containers.
> The presence of MICRODNF, LIBDNF5, and DNFDAEMON in the distribution
> will also allow for a smooth transition of components using `dnf`,
> `python3-dnf`, `python3-hawkey`, `libdnf`, `dnfdragora`, and
> `python3-dnfdaemon` to a new library.
>
> * Improved progress bars
> * Improved transaction table
> * Transaction progress reports including scriptlets reports
> * Support of local rpm for transaction operation
> * Great bash completion (better then DNF has)
> * `builddep` command without Python on the system
>
>
> == Scope ==
> * Proposal owners:
> The new Microdnf is still in the development and some of the features
> or options are not yet available. We still have to finish the
> implementation of Modularity, storing internal data related to History
> and System State, and also documentation and man pages. The new
> Microdnf can be tested from repository with upstream nightly builds -
> https://copr.fedorainfracloud.org/coprs/rpmsoftwaremanagement/dnf5-unstable/.
> The project's github repository is here -
> https://github.com/rpm-software-management/libdnf/tree/dnf-5-devel
>
>
> * Other developers:
>
> * Release engineering:
> * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not needed for this Change)
> * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
> * Alignment with Objectives:
>
>
> == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
>
>
> == How To Test ==
>
>
> == User Experience ==
> * Improved progress bars
> * Improved transaction table
> * Transaction progress reports including scriptlets reports
> * Support of local rpm for transaction operation
> * Great bash completion (better then DNF has)
> * New commands and options that are only available with `DNF`
>
> == Dependencies ==
>
>
> == Contingency Plan ==
> * Contingency mechanism: (What to do?  Who will do it?) N/A (not a
> System Wide Change)
> * Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
> * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change), Yes/No
>
>
> == Documentation ==
> N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>
> == Release Notes ==
>
>
>
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