Re: IRC Announcement

[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, May 31, 2021 at 10:50:15AM -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  
>  This is I think because it's all still very much 'under development'. I
>  don't think it makes much sense for folks to spend time writing lists
>  that are likely to rapidly become outdated, rather than continuing to
>  work on setting things up the way we actually want them to be. 
Yep. Completely agreed. 

The last status of the matrix/libera bridges on friday (at least that I
saw) was "Bridge is up and available for testing, be aware that it may
be a bit wobbly while we work on issues" and the person doing the work
on it said they would be back wed to start fixing more issues. 

I'll mention here that there's two ways to bridge things (at least per
my understanding):

1. There's a site wide bridge allowing matrix users to join
#channel:libera.chat But they have to know to do that. 

2. There's "plumbed rooms" where a bridge is setup from a specific irc
room to a specific matrix room. In this case matrix users just join
"Fedora Development" or whatever and irc users just join #fedora-devel
and everything is bridged. This is the state we want, with all or almost
all our rooms. 

Even how those work is kind of in flux. There's problems when say irc
channels quiet all non identified users (mode "$~a"). In some cases we
auto 'voice' matrix users so they can avoid the identification
requirement (I personally don't like this). They may come up with other
ways to do things over the coming weeks. 

For both of them you can open a conversation with
@appservice:libera.chat and use commands to manage the irc side of
matrix connections. Send '!help' to get a list of commands. 

Finally, all this is subject to change, because the Fedora project
hopefully really soon now is getting our own matrix home server. 
In this new server people would login with their account system info and
get a @user:fedora.im (or fedoraproject.org) account. Additionally,
matrix has been working on a thing called "spaces" which we will likely
use. This makes matrix more 'discord like' in that you could join
"Fedora Project" or whatever, get joined to specific rooms and have all
the rooms setup under a Fedora Project umbrealla. ie, There would no
longer be a "Fedora Devel"(a)matrix.org room but a "Devel" space under
fedoraproject on our homeserver. The intention as I know it currently is
to still plumb rooms into irc like option 2 above once we have
spaces/homeserver setup.

So, yeah, sadly everything is kind of in flux right now. :( 

I wish all this IRC mess didn't happen, but sadly it did. 

kevin