I wouldn't use the word useless. Having the packages is just a quality of life thing. Just like for me as mainly C++ developer; not having Basel or abseil does not make Fedora useless for me or C++ developers. It doesn't take much effort to get your environment up and running script the procedure and share with team mates to replicate.<br>-------- Original Message --------<br>On Sep 28, 2018, 18:39, Kevin Kofler < kevin.kofler@chello.at> wrote:<blockquote class="protonmail_quote"><br>Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
> Users that want to reproduce Ant 1.10.2 build would need to repeat
> series of builds and rely on information stored in Koji to know what
> builds should be ran in what order. Trying to build packages only from
> content released to users would be even more difficult.

The point is, the Ant 1.10.2 package can be used to build itself (as well as 
hundreds of other Java packages, including the user's own code). It is not 
essential to be able to redo the bootstrapping as long as the bootstrapped 
binary that is shipped is self-hosting.

And if you want to no longer ship Ant because it is "only" a build tool, 
that is going to make Fedora essentially useless for Java developers.

        Kevin Kofler
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