Current spins:

* hinders our communication (each spin is supposed to get proper coverage from marketing, ambassadors etc.), some users think that actually installing KDE requires reinstalling from the spin !

* prevents spins with a striving community [1] to get proper love from the project. One of the main point of the product is to get *more* QA, *more* polish, *more* communication than our current offering.

If a SIG is able to sustain a long-term effort in that direction, they deserve to be a product !

About the desktop spins, i think they should be considered as sub-products as it will requires some coordination between all the desktop folks for some features.

* demoting spins to remixes won't prevent them to ship installable images, to get support from other SIG (ie: design) but they won't get coverage from marketing and ambassadors.

We can't afford having products, spins and remixes, that's just a waste of efforts and we're lacking in manpower already.

Sustainable spins should become (sub-)products, the others remixes.

Until we can sort out the process for the maintained spins to become (sub-)products, we should keep them for convenience but no longer.

One more thing, commitment is the only metric we should consider for promoting a (sub-)product, i don't give a shit about having people paid to work on that (no offense meant here).

No matter who our employers are, it should *NEVER* matter in Fedora, we're all contributors. PERIOD

H.

[1] I think KDE SIG, I'm no user of the K Desktop but kudos guys for making Fedora a choice distro for KDE users. You did great !