On Mon, Apr 6, 2020 at 4:34 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok@redhat.com> wrote:
On 06. 04. 20 17:20, Leigh Griffin wrote:
>
> I'm reaffirming that I hear the concerns and that my team are taking them on
> board. I am also reaffirming that our engagement point is with the Fedora
> Council, not at the individual level as the Council is responsible for listening
> and collating those concerns and speaking on behalf of the entire community.

This only makes it more clear that you are not interested in engaging with the
community directly, but you are deferring that to the Council. This is not "the
process", this is just a way to justify not engaging. What you say here is not
very friendly.

I am engaging with the community directly but we have agreed and predetermined engagements with the Fedora Council to enact actual changes. We cannot take the view of a singular person and make changes based on that, we defer to them for prioritisation and their input. That's how the relationship works between CPE and the Fedora Community and it's how formal requests and feedback are routed.
 

> It
> is not for me to change how that process works so please reach out to your
> Council reps and engage through that channel.

Fedora has an established process for infra changes like this and you have
chosen to bypass it entirely by talking directly to the Council.

As explained above we have our formal engagement process. I can bring this up with Council in our next scheduled sync if the feeling is that we should be engaging through other means. I'm happy to accomodate.
 
And now you say
"this is how this process works" -- well, in fact it isn't.

https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/changes_policy/

https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/292#comment-640101
 
+1 on that ticket I would like to see clarity on this point so that we can engage in the right way in the future. Our engagement was not designed to side step known processes, it was taken at face value to engage with Council as previously agreed on. 




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