On Thu, Dec 13, 2018 at 4:14 AM Nicolas Mailhot
Not treating it as a community objective is how we got in a
where upstreams (including @rh upstreams) want nothing to do with rpms
and Fedora, and invent their own packaging tech to bypass Linux
distributions completely. They're not doing it for lofty theoretical
reasons. Those are added later as PC justifications. The root cause of
why they behave like this, is that they feel, the packager experience
Fedora (or Debian, or Ubuntu) sucks loads. It used not to suck, when it
matched perfectly c/c++ autotools needs, and then it slowly degraded as
things were not updated to match new needs and packagers were asked to
fill in the gaps.
The dynamic that you've described about upstreams matches my experience.
If we do have some kind of "packager experience" SIG, I would like to
be a part of it.
I would love to help bring back the birds-eye view dashboard that
pkgdb provided for things like "how many packages does X person
maintain", or "who is on the watch list for X component in Bugzilla".
Maybe we could build that into the fedora-packages application ? I
know the Infra team doesn't need more new apps to run :)