El vie., 26 jun. 2020 a las 8:10, Ankur Sinha
> On Thu, Jun 25, 2020 23:38:13 +0200, Jan Kratochvil wrote:
> > On Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:21:37 +0200, Chris Adams wrote:
> > > I'm not sure why you think end-users can't use a free OS.
> > First steps of end-users is to install Chrome, Spotify and VirtualBox.
> > So there is left no advantage of a Free OS.
> That's anecdotal generalisation at best. I know enough people to
> disprove this statement using my set of anecdotal evidence---and it
> won't get us any where.
> We are a FOSS community and we will keep promoting FOSS as much as
> we can. It is our First Foundation:
> So, let's keep the discussion on topic: about the default editor.
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Again, I'm not against the proposal, but I would prefer a better and sane
Honestly most end users dislike the CLI.
However I understand that discussion is not about "what is my preferred
I understand that discussion is "if by chance an end user has to use CLI,
he/she will not know what/how to do with vim".
In such a case nano is easier (regardless that the argument about how hard
is quitting vim is exaggerated, Ctrl+o is not easier that ZZ).
A better for a newcomer that faces cli would be something like mcedit, but
sadly it is not a standalone editor.
But please, again, most end users prefer to use a gui editor. Is not about
that a newcomer has to know **what** is KWrite/Kate/Gedit/etc, it's about
that choices are of easy access through KDE/GNOME/MATE/XFce/etc graphical
I think this is more a discussion about target groups. As far as I understand Fedora is
aimed at everyone end users, devs, sysadmins and others alike.
While I recognize that helping new users onboard is a good thing it seems that more often
than not it is at the inconvenience of the not new.
This particular issue is very small but part of a trend, it seems. The workstation
installer, gnome and other seems to be arguing in the same way. The needs of new
hypothetical users why does not want to learn and/or despises having to use a CLI is more
important than the needs of the existing userbase.
I think we can find a much better way of being welcoming to new users. One that fits those
who just wants to edit some text and those who care about what they use.
I like to think that I am part of everyone and I would love if we could deliver smart
solutions that doesn't needlessly change default behaviour under the guise
"advanced users will know how to configure this".