Matthew,

Thanks for sending this out. There is a lot of FUD right now and this plan is what I had hoped was going on. The FPO/RH/IBM should do some additional community engagement to clear this up. A very clear diagram of the development/packaging flow would go a long way and give the community a simple artifact to share in place of all of the FUD.

I was worried after reading some of the misinformation/misunderstanding. I was getting concerned we'd have to start up FUDCons again and fork the project. Thankfully, that does not at all seem to be the case.

Cheers,

On Fri, Jun 23, 2023 at 12:47 AM Simon de Vlieger <cmdr@supakeen.com> wrote:

On Thu, Jun 22, 2023, at 11:01 AM, Matthew Miller wrote:

> 1. Fedora Rawhide continually updated
> 2. ELN maintained in parallel, as part of Fedora
> 3. At some point, ELN branched to new CentOS Stream
> 4. ... a year or so of CentOS Stream development in public ...
> 5. RHEL Beta forked from that, released
> 6. Work on RHEL updates visible in CentOS Stream
> 7. Updates appear in CentOS Stream
> 8. Updates released to RHEL
>
> Note that with CentOS Stream 10 / RHEL 10, step 3 here will _maintain git
> history from Fedora, which is a big improvement in preserving all of the
> incredible, valuable work from Fedora contributors.
>
> All of this is the exact opposite of Red Hat preparing to make some new base
> for RHEL. Additionally, this model provides a clean path for
> Red-Hat-opinionated decisions to differ from those we make from Fedora. Take
> BTRFS as an example. Or, the increase in CPU baseline. Like this:

Matthew, this is a great summary and also the understanding I currently have. It might be a good thing if this information lives in a more permanent place that I can refer people to. Perhaps something on Fedora's documentation about the Enterprise Linux ecosystem or a blogpost on either the Fedora or RedHat blogs?

Regards,

Simon
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