Am 04.10.2021 um 15:07 schrieb Mat Booth
<fedora(a)matbooth.co.uk>:
Like many Open Source projects, Fedora is a "do-ocracy“ — ….
A nice phrase
with a decent connotation. And it’s true without doubt.
And at the same time it is also true, Fedora as many other Open Source projects is as well
about coordination and successful cooperation and communication. And when Debian
distribution got into rough waters decades ago it was not because of a lack of packaging
and "do-ocracy“, but of a lack of coordination and cooperation - just as an example.
Same is true for various Fedora sub-projects.
And by the way
As I said before there's always a lot of discussion from people
who,
in the end, never get involved. ...
your implicit advice for me to just take action instead of arguing is nice and welcome.
However, I have been doing this for quite some time, e.g. by igniting development of a
systematic and supported installation of Wildfly - albeit mainly as part of my commitment
to Fedora Server WG. Not via packaging - that was found to be practically unfeasible here
- but by alternative means. I invite you to support the effort with your knowledge and
experience, e.g. to find the optimal way to install the upstream binary (simply in /opt or
is there a better way of integration into Fedora Java runtime system, e.g. similar to
Tomcat split up to the different FSH subdirectories, or something else).
The development of alternatives to rpm packaging was also one of the suggestions that came
up in this thread.
… do-ocracy in action! Picking a goal you care about and setting
about
achieving it doesn't require a SIG, it requires you to "do."
So, do you have any specific, concrete goal you want to achieve? If
the removal of a Java package has affected you directly or a Java
application you care about is in danger of being removed that would be
a excellent place to start.
Most of this thread was not about package x.y.z but about broader issues, such as
outdated/misleading documentation and information, disruptive and untrustworthy
development histories (failing one of the core values of Java), need for alternatives to
the current packaging process (e.g. "curated list“ as mentioned in a previous post),
etc. All this has an impact on the Fedora Java eco system. Unfortunately, an answer to
those issues cannot get worked out as a one-man show, I guess.
What else really interests me: The "java-maint-sig" will be removed soon. Then
you are really completely content with the Fedora Java world? No change? No preferrable
improvement anywhere?
Best
Peter
—
Dr. Peter Boy
Universität Bremen
Mary-Sommerville-Str. 5
28359 Bremen
Germany
pboy(a)uni-bremen.de
www.uni-bremen.de
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