On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 7:29 AM Aleksandar Kurtakov <akurtako@redhat.com> wrote:
>
> On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 1:17 PM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <dominik@greysector.net> wrote:
>>
>> On Tuesday, 12 March 2019 at 12:02, Mikolaj Izdebski wrote:
>> > On Tue, Mar 12, 2019 at 11:49 AM Jakub Jelen <jjelen@redhat.com> wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Is there already a way to package the java application as a module or
>> > > we will really remove all these package from Fedora?
>> >
>> > Most of Java packages listed in this thread are already packaged as
>> > modules. Their retirement in rawhide won't directly cause their
>> > removal from distribution.
>>
>> Maybe, but it will cause the removal of other packages that depend on
>> their regular (non-modular) builds. You are forcing the hands of their
>> maintainers before the infrastructure to make modular packages available
>> as build dependencies to regular packages is in place to remake their
>> packages into modules, let them be retired or pick up your orphans. If
>> it were ready, your moving these packages to modules would be a
>> non-event for everyone concerned except you. Instead of helping with
>> that (or just waiting), you are about to cause the retirement of quite a
>> few packages whose maintainers want nothing to do with Modularity.
>> That's not excellent.
>
>
> Dominik, that is totally ugly reply to Mikolaj! Whole Java RPM community (note not only Fedora but Mageia and etc. too) relied on his work to keep hundreds (or maybe even thousands) of packages rpm installable. And he has done that for years without ever complaining! Even more he is one of the most helpful maintainers whenever someone faces an issue. Respect should be shown when deserved, blaming like that causes nothing but ill feelings.
> Everyone should remember that this is *COMMUNITY* project and if/when someone needs something they should be ready to jump in and do the work - whether taking packages or helping infra guys or whatever but no one owes others anything.
>
> P.S. As Eclipse stack maintainers we are directly hit by this and already working towards turning it into module as we don't have the manpower to take over the maintainership of pristine rpms that Mikolaj maintains. Whoever things that's easy job is welcome to try it out!
>

This whole process was handled in the worst possible way. To sum up:
* No one knew Java SIG was having manpower issues because Mikolaj
didn't know how to ask for help
* Now it's too late because he orphaned nearly 1700 packages to force
modularization
* This caused everyone dependent on those packages to freak
* And here we are in the bad ending...

We could have avoided the bad ending if at any point there was an
official call for help to increase Java SIG manpower. There wasn't. We
could have avoided this if there was a discussion before the
orphaning. There wasn't.

We could have avoided the bad ending if people dependent on Java
packages were given the opportunity to help. As you say, this is a
community distro. That goes both ways. But that didn't happen.

So here we are, in the bad ending.



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