10:16 a.m.
The current issue on 5.19.12 made it necessary for some users to change
their kernel on boot to avoid 5.19.12 until the update to 5.19.13 was
pushed to stable. Obviously, the option to easily boot recent kernels
can be necessary in several circumstances, especially for non-advanced
users it has proven to be very helpful on ask.fp to achieve that with
two easily-to-describe clicks.
However, on ask.fp, a user mentioned that the grub menu is no longer
enabled by default on single boot systems so that changing the kernel is
no longer easily possible, and put forward
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/HiddenGrubMenu as evidence for
this argument. Yet, the article indicates that the argument is not fully
correct and even with single boot installations, SHIFT can be used to
get into the grub menu. Generally, my experience with non-advanced users
on ask.fp and in general does not correspond to the arguments in the
article. However, on all my Workstation and KDE/lxqt spin installations
(one originally installed before F29, others between F33 & F36), this
article does not apply at all, and by default, I can choose between the
recent three kernels for 5 seconds in the grub menu on all single boot
systems, unless I change the grub config myself.
So first of all, does the article currently apply to any edition? If
not, we might change the content to avoid further confusion...
Regards,
Chris
10:33 a.m.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, Christopher Klooz wrote:
However, on ask.fp, a user mentioned that the grub menu is no longer
enabled by default on single boot systems so that changing the kernel is
no longer easily possible, and put forward
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/HiddenGrubMenu as evidence for
this argument. Yet, the article indicates that the argument is not fully
correct and even with single boot installations, SHIFT can be used to
get into the grub menu.
I think it's F8 or SHIFT. F8 doesn't work on many laptops I've found, because
it's reserved by UEFI firmware for one of its menus. And SHIFT has never worked. Maybe
Esc or TAB?
Given this inconsistency, I have a mixed opinion of the hidden GRUB menu.
--
Chris Murphy
10:43 a.m.
On my acer Aspire laptop it's the "esc" key. Works everytime I want to see
the grub menu.
geraldosimiao
Em qua, 5 de out de 2022 12:33, Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com>
escreveu:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, at 11:16 AM, Christopher Klooz wrote:
> However, on ask.fp, a user mentioned that the grub menu is no longer
> enabled by default on single boot systems so that changing the kernel is
> no longer easily possible, and put forward
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/HiddenGrubMenu as evidence for
> this argument. Yet, the article indicates that the argument is not fully
> correct and even with single boot installations, SHIFT can be used to
> get into the grub menu.
I think it's F8 or SHIFT. F8 doesn't work on many laptops I've found,
because it's reserved by UEFI firmware for one of its menus. And SHIFT has
never worked. Maybe Esc or TAB?
Given this inconsistency, I have a mixed opinion of the hidden GRUB menu.
--
Chris Murphy
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12:28 p.m.
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022 at 6:16 PM Chris Murphy <lists(a)colorremedies.com> wrote:
On Wed, Oct 5, 2022, at 11:43 AM, Geraldo Simião Kutz wrote:
On my acer Aspire laptop it's the "esc" key. Works everytime I want to see
the grub menu.
The gotcha with ESC is that it brings up firmware settings on qemu-kvm when using UEFI
(edk2-ovmf).
I believe you can also hold down the left control key and have the same effect.
1:21 p.m.
Hi,
On 10/5/22 17:16, Christopher Klooz wrote:
The current issue on 5.19.12 made it necessary for some users to
change their kernel on boot to avoid 5.19.12 until the update to 5.19.13 was pushed to
stable. Obviously, the option to easily boot recent kernels can be necessary in several
circumstances, especially for non-advanced users it has proven to be very helpful on
ask.fp to achieve that with two easily-to-describe clicks.
However, on ask.fp, a user mentioned that the grub menu is no longer enabled by default
on single boot systems so that changing the kernel is no longer easily possible, and put
forward https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/HiddenGrubMenu as evidence for this
argument. Yet, the article indicates that the argument is not fully correct and even with
single boot installations, SHIFT can be used to get into the grub menu. Generally, my
experience with non-advanced users on ask.fp and in general does not correspond to the
arguments in the article. However, on all my Workstation and KDE/lxqt spin installations
(one originally installed before F29, others between F33 & F36), this article does not
apply at all, and by default, I can choose between the recent three kernels for 5 seconds
in the grub menu on all single boot systems, unless I change the grub config myself.
So first of all, does the article currently apply to any edition? If not, we might change
the content to avoid further confusion...
We still hide the grub menu by default on single OS installs, at least in the Workstation
product.
On EFI systems where holding down SHIFT relies on the EFI implementation actually giving
us modififier key presses even when no "normal" key is pressed might not work,
there are several other options documented in the hidden boot menu FAQ (also linked from
the change page):
https://hansdegoede.dreamwidth.org/19180.html
Regards,
Hans
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