10:52 a.m.
I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
included at all right now.
I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
Opinions?
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10:59 a.m.
On 8/28/06, Alexander Larsson <alexl(a)redhat.com> wrote:
I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
included at all right now.
I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
Opinions?
This would be for the fraction of laptop owners who use Gnone in
Fedora and use bluetooth. Isn't that too small a fraction for a
package to be installed by default?
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11:09 a.m.
Arthur Pemberton wrote :
On 8/28/06, Alexander Larsson <alexl(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
> installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
> included at all right now.
>
> I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
> support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
> support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
> you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
>
> Opinions?
>
This would be for the fraction of laptop owners who use Gnone in
Fedora and use bluetooth. Isn't that too small a fraction for a
package to be installed by default?
Well, I use GNOME and bluetooth on the two laptops I use (especially to
connect to the Internet through GPRS), and also occasionally from
desktops where I simply plug in a bluetooth USB dongle which "just
works".
A definite +1 to have all this work out of the box.
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11:55 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 10:59:13AM -0500, Arthur Pemberton wrote:
This would be for the fraction of laptop owners who use Gnone in
Fedora and use bluetooth. Isn't that too small a fraction for a
package to be installed by default?
It isn't just laptops. I would prefer to see bluetooth by default personally
as I use it for a lot of stuff but I've no idea what percentage of users have
bluetooth, probably a lot in Europe. How many use it .. I don't know
1:24 p.m.
Once upon a time, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com> said:
This would be for the fraction of laptop owners who use Gnone in
Fedora and use bluetooth. Isn't that too small a fraction for a
package to be installed by default?
Most other hardware support is included out-of-the-box. Why should
Bluetooth be any different? I don't have a scanner, an HP printer, any
computer supporting APM, etc., and they are all installed by default. I
_do_ have a computer with Bluetooth (although my Bluetooth mouse still
doesn't work with rawhide).
Since most not-built-in Bluetooth interfaces are little USB dongles,
they are definately something that could show up at any time.
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1:34 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 13:24 -0500, Chris Adams wrote:
Once upon a time, Arthur Pemberton <pemboa(a)gmail.com> said:
> This would be for the fraction of laptop owners who use Gnone in
> Fedora and use bluetooth. Isn't that too small a fraction for a
> package to be installed by default?
Most other hardware support is included out-of-the-box. Why should
Bluetooth be any different? I don't have a scanner, an HP printer, any
computer supporting APM, etc., and they are all installed by default. I
_do_ have a computer with Bluetooth (although my Bluetooth mouse still
doesn't work with rawhide).
Since most not-built-in Bluetooth interfaces are little USB dongles,
they are definately something that could show up at any time.
Agreed -- we should just do this. Especially since we're talk about <
half a meg.
If that's enough to push us over to the next CD, we're likely to hit
that anyway :-P
Jeremy
3:54 p.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 14:34, Jeremy Katz wrote:
Agreed -- we should just do this. Especially since we're talk
about <
half a meg.
If that's enough to push us over to the next CD, we're likely to hit
that anyway :-P
I've changed it from optional to default.
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2:07 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 16:54 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 14:34, Jeremy Katz wrote:
> Agreed -- we should just do this. Especially since we're talk about <
> half a meg.
>
> If that's enough to push us over to the next CD, we're likely to hit
> that anyway :-P
I've changed it from optional to default.
Could you also add nautilus-sendto-bluetooth?
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11:01 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 11:52, Alexander Larsson wrote:
I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
included at all right now.
I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
Opinions?
The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the enough of
our userbase to further bloat the default install?
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11:21 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:01:07PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the enough of
our userbase to further bloat the default install?
As a laptop user who has a cellphone with bluetooth support, I'ld prefer that
this stays not installed by default. It's only one yum command away, anyway.
Emmanuel
11:25 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:21 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:01:07PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
>
> The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
> a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the enough
of
> our userbase to further bloat the default install?
As a laptop user who has a cellphone with bluetooth support, I'ld prefer that
this stays not installed by default. It's only one yum command away, anyway.
Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
from a shell. However, bluetooth is getting to be widespread enought
that people just expect it to work without having to do special magic. I
mean, removing it is only one click in the installer or one yum command
too if you have specific diskspace requirements.
Of course, bumping us to needing 3 CDs for a default install could be a
problem.
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11:30 a.m.
Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:21 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:01:07PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
>> The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
>> a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the
enough of
>> our userbase to further bloat the default install?
> As a laptop user who has a cellphone with bluetooth support, I'ld prefer that
> this stays not installed by default. It's only one yum command away, anyway.
Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
from a shell. However, bluetooth is getting to be widespread enought
that people just expect it to work without having to do special magic. I
mean, removing it is only one click in the installer or one yum command
too if you have specific diskspace requirements.
Of course, bumping us to needing 3 CDs for a default install could be a
problem.
Lets move around and drop packages as much as necessary to stick with 1
for minimal and 2 for default install. Is there other stuff that's
installed by default that isnt really necessary?
Rahul
11:39 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:30, Rahul wrote:
Lets move around and drop packages as much as necessary to stick with
1
for minimal and 2 for default install. Is there other stuff that's
installed by default that isnt really necessary?
That's a conversation that will probably spin out of control w/ no good
resolution. See 'default' and 'minimal' install threads of the past.
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11:30 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:25 +0200, Alexander Larsson wrote:
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 18:21 +0200, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:01:07PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> >
> > The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
> > a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the
enough of
> > our userbase to further bloat the default install?
>
> As a laptop user who has a cellphone with bluetooth support, I'ld prefer that
> this stays not installed by default. It's only one yum command away, anyway.
Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
from a shell. However, bluetooth is getting to be widespread enought
that people just expect it to work without having to do special magic. I
mean, removing it is only one click in the installer or one yum command
too if you have specific diskspace requirements.
Of course, bumping us to needing 3 CDs for a default install could be a
problem.
IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it doesn't work out
of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
packages...
Sam
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11:39 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:30, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it
doesn't work out
of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
packages...
By this logic, we should do everything installs by default...
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11:48 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:30, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it doesn't work out
> of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
> packages...
By this logic, we should do everything installs by default...
Heh... that's not how I meant my logic to work. I'm referring
specifically to auto-detecting hardware. Not too long ago, if I plugged
in my USB camera, for example, nothing would happen. Last night I was
thrilled that performing this action resulted in a pop-up that said
something like "Digital Camera Detected, would you like to import these
photos?". If that had not occurred, I would have assumed that this kind
of functionality still didn't exist for us in Fedora.
Having something like this work goes a long way towards swaying people
who assume that this kind of thing just doesn't work in linux. I would
not equate this kind of thing with installing every possible package by
default.
By the way, what HAPPENED to the everything install option!!!! :-)
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11:48 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:48, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
By the way, what HAPPENED to the everything install option!!!!
We got tired of telling a lie so it went away.
On the subject of bluetooth, does it even WORK straight away w/out any
configuration? I was under the impression that bluetooth still needed a
bunch of hand fiddling to do what you wanted to do, not quite as simple as
plugging in a USB storage device.
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1:42 p.m.
Dnia 28-08-2006, pon o godzinie 12:48 -0400, Jesse Keating napisał(a):
I was under the impression that bluetooth still needed a
bunch of hand fiddling to do what you wanted to do, not quite as simple as
plugging in a USB storage device.
It depends. I use Bluetooth in my desktop PC. I
used it to talk to my
Nokias (move phonebooks, calendar and messages) and use GPRS as backup
link. USB dongle "just works", there were problems with SELinux and
session passwords early in FC5, but now it "just works", too. So the
low-level part works OOTB. All you need to have is a discovery tool and
configuration GUI-s for programs talking Bluetooth. I know KDE has all
that you need.
GNOME, as always, is far behind. gnome-bluetooth-libs give you a
"Bluetooth manager" which simply doesn't work, all it does is scan
around, "properties" doesn't work and it calls devices "Unnamed"
until
you call `hcitool scan` manually from the console (hal problem,
probably) ;) Nautilus doesn't have any idea that I have an OBEX device
nearby (compare to Konqueror's bluetooth:/, sdp:/ and obex:/, sigh). The
only thing that really "just works" is the gnome-obex-server, an app
waiting for other devices to send files to the computer. Of course it
could be smarter (it doesn't have any configuration nor any GUI besides
a notification area icon, always drops file in $HOME, luckily doesn't
overwrite anything). Still, it does "just work" till this point. I can
send files from another device to the GNOME workstation. 1/100 of KDE's
capabilities, but still :)
The thing that I had to hand-fiddle as root was adding rfcomm0
to /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf. Maybe it's not even necessary, but I
haven't found any GUI for this task. After this I had to restart the
service "bluetooth", there's GUI for that. So making a serial port over
Bluetooth almost "just worked", the config file is very easy to write if
I have the data (which I have to find using console sdptool, should I
add that with KDE it's few clicks away?).
Then there's biggest problem - system-config-network refused to make my
phone's modem work. It insists to send some strange AT commands to the
modem (no matter what I tell it to do) so the emulated modem doesn't
want to speak with it. I had to go back to 1995 and write my own chat
script!
This thread is about gnome-bluetooth. All it can do is accepting
incoming files from remote devices, but it works, really. I saw
screenshots of sending from Nautilus, but FC5 doesn't have that. Having
it installed by default can make interested parties play with it and
maybe decide to help extending it (if it were written in C, I'd be
working on it since months ;)). OTOH, it can give you lots of useless
bug reports on programs nobody wants to fix :)
Lam
3:56 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:48:49PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On the subject of bluetooth, does it even WORK straight away w/out any
configuration?
You'll probably to write a 4 digit code in a file somewhere. It's probably
best that way. I've just installed bluetooth support and it looks enabled by
default which I find surprizing for a network service (even if said network
only has a 10m radius).
Emmanuel
4:38 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 22:56, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
You'll probably to write a 4 digit code in a file somewhere.
It's probably
It's better to use a longer PIN, up to 128 bit are supported by bluetooth but
I guess most software/mobile phones only support 16 digits instead of 16
bytes. Iirc for the bluetooth gnome file receiver this is not needed.
best that way. I've just installed bluetooth support and it looks
enabled
by default which I find surprizing for a network service (even if said
network only has a 10m radius).
It may have up to 120m radius in the newer version.
Regards,
Till
9:36 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:48 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:48, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> By the way, what HAPPENED to the everything install option!!!!
We got tired of telling a lie so it went away.
On the subject of bluetooth, does it even WORK straight away w/out any
configuration? I was under the impression that bluetooth still needed a
bunch of hand fiddling to do what you wanted to do, not quite as simple as
plugging in a USB storage device.
I think file transfer (OBEX) works if you send a file from the _phone_
to your computer out of the box, as long as you are running the
"Bluetooth File Sharing" tool in Gnome. Pairing works just fine with
the D-Bus enabled PIN entry dialog utility.
What really, really sucks right now is going the other way, accessing
the device or phone _from_ your computer. To get DUN working, you have
to pair with the phone (hcitool cc <bt addr>), run sdptool browse to
find out the DUN channel, then edit /etc/bluetooth/rfcomm.conf and add
the device and its channel to a specified rfcomm port. Then you
configure dialup like normal with system-config-network.
I have yet to get OBEX to work from computer -> phone with obexftp.
There is light at the end of the tunnel. Matthew Garret's SoC project
is beating the asstastic stupidity out of the current Linux bluetooth
integration. Marcel Holtmann has queued patches that make the sysfs
bluetooth model much easier for 2.6.19, and mjg59's patches will expose
that 2.6.19 functionality to HAL-enabled apps. NetworkManager will
integrate with HAL and bluetooth to make all of this Just Work in the
next 6 - 8 months.
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On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:30, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
> IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it doesn't work out
> of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
> packages...
By this logic, we should do everything installs by default...
well... bluetooth is hardware. In THEORY the install could happen once
"something" sees a bluetooth device....
I know that gets evil, and that jeremy will hate me for it, but it does
sort of make sense.
11:58 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:51:17PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
well... bluetooth is hardware. In THEORY the install could happen
once
"something" sees a bluetooth device....
No
I know that gets evil, and that jeremy will hate me for it, but it
does
sort of make sense.
Not if your bluetooth connection is used for internet access 8)
12:52 p.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:58:35PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:51:17PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> well... bluetooth is hardware. In THEORY the install could happen once
> "something" sees a bluetooth device....
No
> I know that gets evil, and that jeremy will hate me for it, but it does
> sort of make sense.
Not if your bluetooth connection is used for internet access 8)
Installing the whole OS over bluetooth? /me shudders.
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8:57 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:52 -0500, Matt Domsch wrote:
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:58:35PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote:
> On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 06:51:17PM +0200, Arjan van de Ven wrote:
> > well... bluetooth is hardware. In THEORY the install could happen once
> > "something" sees a bluetooth device....
>
> No
Sometimes your bluetooth device pretends to be a HID device :)
> > I know that gets evil, and that jeremy will hate me for it,
but it does
> > sort of make sense.
>
> Not if your bluetooth connection is used for internet access 8)
Installing the whole OS over bluetooth? /me shudders.
Before we had bcm43xx, bluetooth was the primary network connection for
my shinybook. It's faster than the DSL line into the building.
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11:59 a.m.
Arjan van de Ven wrote:
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:39 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
> On Monday 28 August 2006 12:30, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
>
>> IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it doesn't work out
>> of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
>> packages...
>>
> By this logic, we should do everything installs by default...
>
well... bluetooth is hardware. In THEORY the install could happen once
"something" sees a bluetooth device....
I know that gets evil, and that jeremy will hate me for it, but it does
sort of make sense.
was about to suggest this to but the extra code to save 1 or 2MB disk
space is bloat; not the packages itself
8:19 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:30 -0400, Sam Folk-Williams wrote:
IMHO, a lot of users will assume it /can't/ work if it
doesn't work out
of the box, before they figure out that they need to install the
packages...
This is true. Especially with the pin-helper which needs to be running
be default.
I think we should have it working by default.
We should be wary of bloat though. By way of recompense for my
contribution to the bloat, I offer bug #204126.
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11:42 a.m.
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install
it
from a shell.
Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps so that
nice graphical tools like pirut can be used easily to add this support in
(and it would be easily selectable at install time).
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11:57 a.m.
On Mon, Aug 28, 2006 at 12:42:42PM -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group
in comps so that
nice graphical tools like pirut can be used easily to add this support in
(and it would be easily selectable at install time).
If as seems to be the case it is under 1MB then it might as well just get
included. Its smaller than half the packages we ship let alone groups.
12:03 p.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:42 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
> from a shell.
Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps so that
nice graphical tools like pirut can be used easily to add this support in
(and it would be easily selectable at install time).
This sounds like a good compromise.
/B
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12:24 p.m.
+1 . A lot of people (like me) have Bluetooth dongle (usb) to move data from-to cell phone
/ desktop PC.
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On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:42 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
> from a shell.
Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps so that
nice graphical tools like pirut can be used easily to add this support in
(and it would be easily selectable at install time).
This sounds like a good compromise.
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Rex Dieter (rdieter(a)math.unl.edu) said:
> On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
>> Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
>> from a shell.
>
> Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps so
+1
-1. It's less than a MB, just include it.
Bill
2:47 p.m.
man, 28 08 2006 kl. 15:20 -0400, skrev Bill Nottingham:
Rex Dieter (rdieter(a)math.unl.edu) said:
> > On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> >> Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
> >> from a shell.
> >
> > Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps
so
>
> +1
-1. It's less than a MB, just include it.
I tend to agree, the added space is outweight by far by the added
functionality in this case.
Hell the storage used by the email debate on it's inclusion is probably
costing me more space.
- David
3:29 p.m.
Bill Nottingham wrote:
Rex Dieter (rdieter(a)math.unl.edu) said:
> > On Monday 28 August 2006 12:25, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> >> Sure, its easy for people who know the rpm package names to install it
> >> from a shell.
> >
> > Or we could make 'Bluetooth Support' its own (psuedo) group in comps so
>
> +1
-1. It's less than a MB, just include it.
Good point. Hadn't considered the size (and had assumed it to be
non-trivial).
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11:39 a.m.
Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 11:52, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
> installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
> included at all right now.
>
> I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
> support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
> support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
> you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
>
> Opinions?
>
The more you add as a default, the closer we get to having 3 CDs needed for
a "default" install. Laptops are a part of our userbase. Are the enough of
our userbase to further bloat the default install?
this one should work out of the box , and this won't bloat anything (<
1MB)
11:54 a.m.
On Mon, 2006-08-28 at 12:01 -0400, Jesse Keating wrote:
On Monday 28 August 2006 11:52, Alexander Larsson wrote:
> I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
> installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
> included at all right now.
>
> I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
> support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
> support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
> you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
>
> Opinions?
-1. Keep the bloat down. It's easy enough for the user to add this
later with yum.
/B
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11:02 a.m.
Alexander Larsson wrote:
I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
included at all right now.
I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
Opinions?
+1. We need stuff like this working out of the box.
Rahul
11:29 a.m.
Alexander Larsson wrote:
I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
included at all right now.
I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
Opinions?
We're dealing with 372 Kb of packages here, so I think this is
definitely worth installing by default. I also have a bluetooth phone,
so this is not just reserved to laptop users.
gnome-bluetooth i386 0.7.0-10.1 development 236 k
gnome-bluetooth-libs i386 0.7.0-10.1 development 65 k
libbtctl i386 0.6.0-9.1 development 45 k
openobex i386 1.3-3.1 development 21 k
nautilus-sendto-bluetooth i386 0.7-4.fc6 development 8.2 k
1:07 a.m.
On Mon, 28 Aug 2006, Denis Leroy wrote:
Alexander Larsson wrote:
> I see that gnome-bluetooth is now an optional package in the gnome
> installer group, and things like nautilus-sendto-bluetooth isn't
> included at all right now.
>
> I think a lot of machines (laptops) these days ship with Bluetooth
> support though, and a lot of people have mobile phones with Bluetooth
> support. Maybe we should install packages like this by default so that
> you can send a file to your phone in an out of the box FC6 install.
>
> Opinions?
We're dealing with 372 Kb of packages here, so I think this is definitely
worth installing by default. I also have a bluetooth phone, so this is not
just reserved to laptop users.
Another metoo - I have a bluetooth dongle on my desktop for transferring
photos from phone to computer. Hardly an uncommon task these days, at
least in this part of the world :)
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