[heads-up] mutter and gnome-desktop3/4 soname version bump for rawhide

[Milan Crha]

Hi,
so far mutter and gnome-desktop3 had noticeable soname version changes
within the GNOME 51.alpha updates.

For the gnome-dekstop3 51.alpha the `dnf repoquery --whatrequires
"gnome-desktop3-devel" --recursive --enablerepo=fedora-source` returns
this list:

```
budgie-control-center
budgie-desktop
budgie-session
cheese
eog
evince
evolution
evolution-ews
evolution-rspam
gala
gnome-desktop-sharp
gnome-directory-thumbnailer
gnome-flashback
gnome-panel
libphosh-devel
magpie
phoc
phosh
phrog
pidgin-chime
stevia
totem
```

and for gnome-desktop4-devel:

```
chatty
gala
gnome-clocks
gnome-control-center
gnome-font-viewer
gnome-initial-setup
gnome-kiosk
gnome-session
gnome-settings-daemon
gnome-shell
malcontent
mutter
nautilus
phosh-mobile-settings
showtime
wingpanel
xdg-desktop-portal-gnome
```

and for mutter 51.alpha:

```
gala
gnome-kiosk
gnome-shell
wingpanel
```

I have commit rights for plenty of them, but not for all.

I went through all of them and either rebuilt them or scratch-built
them against the side tag. The list of the leftovers divides into these
groups:

* dead packages:

cheese
    gala
    wingpanel

* simple rebuild is required:

budgie-desktop
    budgie-session
    gnome-desktop-sharp
    gnome-directory-thumbnailer
    gnome-flashback
    gnome-panel
    magpie
    phoc
    phosh
    stevia

* cannot tell due to other dependencies:

phosh-mobile-settings - requires phoc and phosh to be built first
    phrog - requires phosh to be built first

* awaiting new release, which I can handle myself once done:

gnome-kiosk - requires release for new mutter

* problematic package:

budgie-control-center - libgnome-desktop/gnome-rr.h was dropped

The build is prepared in a side tag `f45-build-side-142282` , which can
be used as:

fedpkg build --target=f45-build-side-142282

I'd appreciate a help from the respective maintainers or a proven
packager on packages I was not able to rebuild myself (the list above).

Thanks and bye,
    Milan

[Fabio Valentini]

On Tue, Jun 30, 2026 at 3:37 PM Milan Crha  wrote:
>     Hi,
>
> so far mutter and gnome-desktop3 had noticeable soname version changes
> within the GNOME 51.alpha updates.
>
> For the gnome-dekstop3 51.alpha the `dnf repoquery --whatrequires
> "gnome-desktop3-devel" --recursive --enablerepo=fedora-source` returns
> this list:

Are you sure this repoquery command is correct (or was run on rawhide)?
"gala" should not be in the list, it's retired in rawhide.
Maybe it should have been the "rawhide-source" repo, not "fedora-source"?

Fabio

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-06-30 at 15:44 +0200, Fabio Valentini wrote:
> Are you sure this repoquery command is correct (or was run on
> rawhide)?
> "gala" should not be in the list, it's retired in rawhide.
> Maybe it should have been the "rawhide-source" repo, not "fedora-
> source"?

Hi,
that's right, I know, I usually use a rawhide machine for these
queries, but my rawhide machine failed to read repo data properly from
different mirrors for whatever reason today, thus I used Fedora 44
sources, where those packages are not removed yet. I figured they are
dead packages later on anyway ;)

Bye,
    Milan

[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

Jun 30, 2026 16:37:53 Milan Crha :
> cannot tell due to other dependencies:
>
> phosh-mobile-settings - requires phoc and phosh to be built first
>     phrog - requires phosh to be built first

These _should_ be simple rebuilds too, let me know if you hit any issues.

-Tomi

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-06-30 at 15:52 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> These _should_ be simple rebuilds too, let me know if you hit any
> issues.

Hi,
I guess so too, but I could not verify. I do not have commit rights for
any of those packages.

Bye,
    Milan

[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

Jun 30, 2026 17:14:39 Milan Crha :
> On Tue, 2026-06-30 at 15:52 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> > These _should_ be simple rebuilds too, let me know if you hit any
> > issues.
>
> Hi,
> I guess so too, but I could not verify. I do not have commit rights for
> any of those packages

I missed that you had a side-tag already prepared.. I'll trigger the builds shortly.

-Tomi

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-06-30 at 16:32 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> I missed that you had a side-tag already prepared.. I'll trigger the
> builds shortly.

Thank you for a quick step up.

Bye,
    Milan

[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

On ti, kesä 30 2026 at 17.18.04 +02:00:00, Milan Crha 
 wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-06-30 at 16:32 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> > I missed that you had a side-tag already prepared.. I'll trigger the
> >  builds shortly.
>
> Thank you for a quick step up.
>
> Bye,
>    Milan

These are now taken care of:

- phoc
- phosh
- phosh-mobile-settings
- stevia

-Tomi

[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> These are now taken care of:
> ...
> phosh-mobile-settings
>
> ...

Hi,
thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side
tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`

Some other packages had been done meanwhile too. With a known "to be
broken" budgie-control-center there only left these to be rebuilt:

budgie-desktop
    budgie-session
    gnome-desktop-sharp
    gnome-directory-thumbnailer
    gnome-flashback
    gnome-panel
    magpie

To give people more time I will fill an update at the beginning of the
next week, most likely on Tuesday.

Thanks and bye,
    Milan

[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

On to, heinä 2 2026 at 09.13.54 +02:00:00, Milan Crha  wrote:
> On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> These are now taken care of: ... - phosh-mobile-settings ...
> Hi, thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`

Seems the build has failed, Sam triggered that so CC'ing him if he has idea why it failed.

-Tomi

[Sam Day]

Hello Tomi,

On Saturday, 4 July 2026 at 5:31 AM, Tomi Lähteenmäki  wrote:
> On to, heinä 2 2026 at 09.13.54 +02:00:00, Milan Crha  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> > > These are now taken care of: ... - phosh-mobile-settings ...
> > Hi, thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`
>
> Seems the build has failed, Sam triggered that so CC'ing him if he has idea why it failed.

As I explained to you in the Fedora Mobility room [1], the
phosh-mobile-settings build failed because stevia needed a rebuild, and you're
the only one with permissions to that package.

I then asked you to please let me know when you'd rebuilt stevia, so that I
could make sure that phrog + p-m-s were rebuilt [2]. You never got back to me,
but instead posted to the list saying that p-m-s was rebuilt, so I only rebuilt
phrog.

Anyway, p-m-s is now failing to build legitimately [3]. It runs tests with
`G_DEBUG=fatal-warnings`, and the soname bump seems to be triggering this
new warning during some of the tests:
> Use GtkSettings:gtk-interface-color-scheme instead

I'll work on a patch for this over the weekend.

BRs,
-Sam

[1]: https://matrix.to/#/!sXLzaXgfXmVJufaSWq:fedoraproject.org/$wa_CUD-ZgNAMi-jBB...
[2]: https://matrix.to/#/!sXLzaXgfXmVJufaSWq:fedoraproject.org/$AjYNXHwvzG6LAbWn0...
[3]: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=147355034
> -Tomi

[Milan Crha]

On Sat, 2026-07-04 at 01:11 +0200, Sam Day wrote:
> phosh-mobile-settings build failed because stevia needed a rebuild

Hi,
I see the recent builds of stevia-0.56.0-2.fc45 (from few hours ago)
and phosh-mobile-settings-0.56.0-1.fc45 from July 5th, are both for f45
tag, not for the side tag `f45-build-side-142282`. At least koji shows
me these builds when searching by package name.

When I look into the side tag, it has stevia-0.56~rc1-2.fc45 and 
phosh-mobile-settings-0.55.0-3.fc45.

Seeing the build time I suppose you are working on it literally right
now. I'll wait for your update in this thread.

By the way, if it would make things easier I can create the rawhide
update and the missing pieces can be built shortly afterwards directly
to rawhide, without involving the side tag.

Thanks and bye,
    Milan

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-07-07 at 08:29 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> When I look into the side tag, it has stevia-0.56~rc1-2.fc45 and 
> phosh-mobile-settings-0.55.0-3.fc45.

Hi,
I looked on the tagged packages again and among all those ~60 packages
only the stevia has missing a newer rebuild, to the 0.56.0 release
(which is in rawhide).

I can ask some proven packager to do it, but I suppose Sam is on it
(and I do not want to step on anybody's toes).

Am I right, Sam?

Thanks and bye,
    Milan

P.S.: the side tag is f45-build-side-142282

[Sam Day]

Hiya Milan,

On Tuesday, 7 July 2026 at 9:43 PM, Milan Crha  wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-07-07 at 08:29 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> > When I look into the side tag, it has stevia-0.56~rc1-2.fc45 and
> > phosh-mobile-settings-0.55.0-3.fc45.
>
> Hi,
> I looked on the tagged packages again and among all those ~60 packages
> only the stevia has missing a newer rebuild, to the 0.56.0 release
> (which is in rawhide).

Sorry about that, this soname bump managed to coincide with Phosh's periodic
(every ~6 weeks) release train :)
> I can ask some proven packager to do it, but I suppose Sam is on it
> (and I do not want to step on anybody's toes).
>
> Am I right, Sam?

Yep, It's built in the sidetag now:
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=147515487

Cheers,
-Sam
> Thanks and bye,
>    Milan
>
> P.S.: the side tag is f45-build-side-142282

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-07-07 at 14:03 +0200, Sam Day wrote:
> Yep, It's built in the sidetag now:

Hi,
great, thank you and all those whom helped.

I just filled the update:
https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-26d38329f0

Bye,
    Milan

[Milan Crha]

On Tue, 2026-07-07 at 14:13 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> I just filled the update:
> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-26d38329f0

Hi again,
the update cannot be currently "merged", because:

This update cannot be pushed to stable. These builds
   phoc-0.56~rc1-2.fc45, phosh-0.56~rc1-2.fc45,
   phosh-mobile-settings-0.55.0-3.fc45 have a more recent
   build in koji's f45 tag.

Sam, could you rebuild them into the side tag, please?

It's:

fedpkg build --target=f45-build-side-142282

You've been quicker with your rawhide build than the update itself.

Thanks and bye,
    Milan

[Sam Day]

Hello Milan,

On Wednesday, 8 July 2026 at 7:38 PM, Milan Crha  wrote:
> On Tue, 2026-07-07 at 14:13 +0200, Milan Crha wrote:
> > I just filled the update:
> > https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2026-26d38329f0
>
> Hi again,
> the update cannot be currently "merged", because:
>
> This update cannot be pushed to stable. These builds
>    phoc-0.56~rc1-2.fc45, phosh-0.56~rc1-2.fc45,
>    phosh-mobile-settings-0.55.0-3.fc45 have a more recent
>    build in koji's f45 tag.
>
> Sam, could you rebuild them into the side tag, please?

All 3 should be done, now.

Cheers!
-Sam
> It's:
>
> fedpkg build --target=f45-build-side-142282
>
> You've been quicker with your rawhide build than the update itself.
>
> Thanks and bye,
>    Milan
>
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[Milan Crha]

On Wed, 2026-07-08 at 13:06 +0200, Sam Day wrote:
> All 3 should be done, now.

Hi,
thank you. I refreshed the update and it was pushed to stable (rawhide)
shortly afterwards. Yay. :)

Bye,
    Milan

[Sam Day]

Hello Milan,

On Thursday, 2 July 2026 at 5:20 PM, Milan Crha  wrote:
> On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> > These are now taken care of:
> > ...
> > phosh-mobile-settings
> >
> > ...
>
> Hi,
> thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side
> tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`

It's there now.

https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=147356311

Cheers,
-Sam
> Some other packages had been done meanwhile too. With a known "to be
> broken" budgie-control-center there only left these to be rebuilt:
> budgie-desktop
> budgie-session
> gnome-desktop-sharp
> gnome-directory-thumbnailer
> gnome-flashback
> gnome-panel
> magpie
>
> To give people more time I will fill an update at the beginning of the
> next week, most likely on Tuesday.
>
> Thanks and bye,
>    Milan
>
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[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

On pe, heinä 3 2026 at 23.11.27 +00:00:00, Sam Day  
wrote:
> I then asked you to please let me know when you'd rebuilt stevia, so 
> that I
> could make sure that phrog + p-m-s were rebuilt [2]. You never got 
> back to me,
> but instead posted to the list saying that p-m-s was rebuilt, so I 
> only rebuilt
> phrog.

I saw p-m-s had already the rebuild commit so I thought is was already 
rebuilt.

On la, heinä 4 2026 at 00.31.46 +00:00:00, Sam Day  
wrote:
> On Thursday, 2 July 2026 at 5:20 PM, Milan Crha <[e-mail] 
> > wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote:
> > > These are now taken care of:
> > > ...
> > > phosh-mobile-settings
> > >
> > > ...
> >
> > Hi,
> >  thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side
> >  tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`
>
> It's there now.
>
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=147356311
>
> Cheers,
> -Sam

Great, thanks!

-Tomi

[Tomi Lähteenmäki]

Jul 4, 2026 08:49:13 Tomi Lähteenmäki :
> On pe, heinä 3 2026 at 23.11.27 +00:00:00, Sam Day  wrote:
> > I then asked you to please let me know when you'd rebuilt stevia, so that I
> > could make sure that phrog + p-m-s were rebuilt [2]. You never got back to me,
> > but instead posted to the list saying that p-m-s was rebuilt, so I only rebuilt
> > phrog.
>
> I saw p-m-s had already the rebuild commit so I thought is was already rebuilt.
>
> On la, heinä 4 2026 at 00.31.46 +00:00:00, Sam Day  wrote:
> > On Thursday, 2 July 2026 at 5:20 PM, Milan Crha <mcrha[[e-mail]]@redhat.com[[e-mail]]> wrote:
> > On Wed, 2026-07-01 at 16:07 +0200, Tomi Lähteenmäki wrote: > These are now taken care of: > ... > - phosh-mobile-settings > ... Hi, thank you. I do not see the phosh-mobile-settings tagged in the side tag, somehow. `koji list-tagged f45-build-side-142282 | grep pho`
> > It's there now. https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/taskinfo?taskID=147356311 Cheers, -Sam
>
> Great, thanks!
>
> -Tomi

Phoc needs a rebuild again as Sam just built the Phoc v0.56.0 for rawhide and the side-tag still has the 0.56~rc1?

-Tomi

[Maxwell G]

On 7/2/26 2:13 AM, Milan Crha wrote:
> Some other packages had been done meanwhile too. With a known "to be
> broken" budgie-control-center there only left these to be rebuilt:
>  budgie-desktop
>  budgie-session
>  gnome-desktop-sharp
>  gnome-directory-thumbnailer
>  gnome-flashback
>  gnome-panel
>  magpie

I submitted builds for these as a provenpackager

[Maxwell G]

On 7/5/26 9:14 PM, Maxwell G wrote:
> On 7/2/26 2:13 AM, Milan Crha wrote:
> > Some other packages had been done meanwhile too. With a known "to be
> > broken" budgie-control-center there only left these to be rebuilt:
> >
> > budgie-desktop
> >      budgie-session
> >      gnome-desktop-sharp
> >      gnome-directory-thumbnailer
> >      gnome-flashback
> >      gnome-panel
> >      magpie
>
> I submitted builds for these as a provenpackager

All builds succeeded.

[Milan Crha]

On Mon, 2026-07-06 at 05:16 +0200, Maxwell G wrote:
> > I submitted builds for these as a provenpackager
>
> All builds succeeded.

Hi,
thank you a lot.
    Bye,
    Milan