Space wasted by Non English Packages shipped by Default on Fedora 17.

[Malcolm Turmel]

In Add/Remove software, go to Filters ==> Installed ==> and make sure ==>
"Only Installed" is checked.

Now take a look under section: "Package Collections"


There seems to be support for lots of languages other than English, which I
don't need, but it seems to be installed by default on Fedora 17. Why?


I don't need in alphabetical order: Arabic Support (6.7 MB), Armenian
Support (5.4 MB), Assamese Support (2.7 MB) ....etc etc. too much to list
here.

[Julian Leyh]

2012/6/25 Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  There seems to be support for lots of languages other than English,
> which I
>  don't need, but it seems to be installed by default on Fedora 17. Why? 
Package Groups are shown as "installed", as soon as all mandatory
packages are installed (IIRC at least one package of the group has to
be installed). Some groups have no mandatory packages at all. Most of
the language support groups have font packages in their list that can
already be installed on default system. That way they get displayed as
"installed". In reality it means "partially installed".

No need to worry.

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[Malcolm Turmel]

Its still taking up valuable space.

All the non-english packages should be optional.

When I try to remove one of the Package, it tells me its going to also
Uninstall lots of other stuff.

How would I go about now uninstalling all of them without breaking my
system.

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Julian Leyh <julian(a)vgai.de&gt; wrote:

>  2012/6/25 Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  > There seems to be support for lots of languages other than English,
>  which I
>  > don't need, but it seems to be installed by default on Fedora 17. Why?
>
>  Package Groups are shown as "installed", as soon as all mandatory
>  packages are installed (IIRC at least one package of the group has to
>  be installed). Some groups have no mandatory packages at all. Most of
>  the language support groups have font packages in their list that can
>  already be installed on default system. That way they get displayed as
>  "installed". In reality it means "partially installed".
>
>  No need to worry.
>
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[Johannes Lips]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 2:27 PM, Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com&gt;wrote:

>  Its still taking up valuable space.
>
>  All the non-english packages should be optional.
>
>  When I try to remove one of the Package, it tells me its going to also
>  Uninstall lots of other stuff.
>
>  How would I go about now uninstalling all of them without breaking my
>  system.
>
>
>  On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Julian Leyh <julian(a)vgai.de&gt; wrote:
>
> > 2012/6/25 Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com&gt;:
> > > There seems to be support for lots of languages other than English,
> > which I
> > > don't need, but it seems to be installed by default on Fedora 17. Why?
> >
> > Package Groups are shown as "installed", as soon as all mandatory
> > packages are installed (IIRC at least one package of the group has to
> > be installed). Some groups have no mandatory packages at all. Most of
> > the language support groups have font packages in their list that can
> > already be installed on default system. That way they get displayed as
> > "installed". In reality it means "partially installed".
> >
> > No need to worry.
> >
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They are probably shipped by default, since there are people around who
don't speak english and also use a different set of letters.
I think it's good to give them a good out-of-the-box fedora experience.
To say if it's safe to remove the packages one would need to know which
packages exactly are removed by the yum transaction.

Johannes

[Reindl Harald]

Am 25.06.2012 15:27, schrieb Malcolm Turmel:
>  Its still taking up valuable space. 
clean it up

>  All the non-english packages should be optional. 
they are

>  When I try to remove one of the Package, it tells me its going to
> also Uninstall lots of other stuff.
>  How would I go about now uninstalling all of them without breaking my system. 
what about posting the "yum"-output and switch generally to
users-list for this?

i bet there are a lot of non-important packages which would be
removed or you trying to remove exactly the wrong ones

but however, nobody can help ypu if you supress your outputs

it is possible to install a full functional fedora with a KDE desktop,
rpmfusion including VMware and Eclipse with 7.0 GB ussed space by
the system (proven by working daily with this machine for along time)

>  On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 6:10 AM, Julian Leyh <julian(a)vgai.de
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      2012/6/25 Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com
> <mailto:[e-mail]>>:
>      > There seems to be support for lots of languages other than English, which I
>      > don't need, but it seems to be installed by default on Fedora 17. Why?
>  
>      Package Groups are shown as "installed", as soon as all mandatory
>      packages are installed (IIRC at least one package of the group has to
>      be installed). Some groups have no mandatory packages at all. Most of
>      the language support groups have font packages in their list that can
>      already be installed on default system. That way they get displayed as
>      "installed". In reality it means "partially installed".
>  
>      No need to worry.
>  
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[Julian Leyh]

2012/6/25 Malcolm Turmel <malcolm.turmel(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Its still taking up valuable space. 
It is not. Trust me. You only see the package groups as "installed",
because you have packages installed that are on the list of that
group.

For example, you mentioned the "Arabic Support" group. This group
includes "dejavu-sans-fonts" as "default"-packages. You most probably
have this font package installed. To remove the group from being
listed as "installed" you would have to remove it. You don't want
that, do you?

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[Bill Nottingham]

Julian Leyh (julian(a)vgai.de) said: 
>  It is not. Trust me. You only see the package groups as
> "installed",
>  because you have packages installed that are on the list of that
>  group.
>  
>  For example, you mentioned the "Arabic Support" group. This group
>  includes "dejavu-sans-fonts" as "default"-packages. You most
> probably
>  have this font package installed. To remove the group from being
>  listed as "installed" you would have to remove it. You don't want
>  that, do you? 
To elaborate - dejavu-sans-fonts is the default font for English. However,
it also happens to have Arabic, Greek, accented European, etc. characters,
so 'support' for those languages will show up as being installed.

Bill

[Gregory Maxwell]

On Mon, Jun 25, 2012 at 1:11 PM, Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  To elaborate - dejavu-sans-fonts is the default font for English.
> However,
>  it also happens to have Arabic, Greek, accented European, etc. characters,
>  so 'support' for those languages will show up as being installed. 
And if you use the web you really do want those characters being
installed— otherwise you'll have hexboxes or blank spaces showing up
all over Wikipedia articles or in people's usernames on forums.