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[Build System]

New package openmotif21
	Compatibility libraries for Open Motif 2.1.


 
Updated Packages:

MAKEDEV-3.11-1
--------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Nalin Dahyabhai <nalin(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.11-1

- add an exact (-x) flag, for creating exactly one device at a time

* Wed Sep 01 2004 Nalin Dahyabhai <nalin(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.10-1

- set SELinux contexts when creating device nodes, sockets, and intermediate
  directories
- turn on SELinux support at build-time

anaconda-10.0.2-0.20040901235037.1
----------------------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Anaconda team <bugzilla(a)redhat.com&gt;

- built new version from CVS

* Thu Jun 03 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt;

- require system-logos and anaconda-help, obsolete anaconda-images

* Fri Apr 30 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt;

- Update description, remove prereq on stuff that was only needed 
  for reconfig mode


bash-3.0-11
-----------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Tim Waugh <twaugh(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.0-11

- Fixed multibyte parameter length expansion.

control-center-2.7.1-2
----------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 GNOME <jrb(a)redhat.com&gt; - 1:2.7.1-2

- fix help

dhcpv6-0.10-4
-------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jason Vas Dias <jvdias(a)redhat.com&gt; - 0.10-3/4

- fixed missing %defattr for dhcpv6_client - bug 131638

dia-0.94-4
----------
* Fri Sep 03 2004 Matthias Clasen <mclasen(a)redhat.com&gt;

- Update to final 0.94 tarball
- Make the help button work (#131622)

* Wed Aug 18 2004 Dan Williams <dcbw(a)redhat.com&gt;

- Update to 0.94-pre6
- Fix RH #110738

* Thu Jul 22 2004 Dan Williams <dcbw(a)redhat.com&gt;

- Update to 0.94-pre1
- Add BuildRequires: libpng-devel (RH #125287)


firstboot-1.3.20-1
------------------
* Wed Sep 01 2004 Adrian Likins <alikins(a)redhat.com&gt; - 1.3.20-1

- better fix for #131308 (works now, but needs some
  screen resizing)

fonts-xorg-6.7.99.903-5
-----------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.903-5

- Remove xorg-x11-base-fonts virtual provide as it hoses upgrades with yum
  due to a complex provide/conflict problem

* Thu Sep 02 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.903-4

- Version the virtual provides of "Provides: xorg-x11-base-fonts =
6.7.99.903-1"
  and "Provides: base-fonts = 6.8.0-1" to try and resolve weird yum upgrade
  conflict issue.

* Thu Sep 02 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.903-3

- Added "Provides: xorg-x11-base-fonts" to fonts-xorg-base subpackage for
  compatitiliby with prior packaging.
- Remove the fonts/util directory, as it does not include fonts.  It has been
  moved to the xorg-x11-font-utils subpackage of xorg-x11 where it probably
  should have been all along.
- Change fonts-xorg-truetype file list glob to luxi*.ttf so we can detect
  font additions better in the future, and avoid accidentally including things
  like Vera which we ship in external packaging already.


gdb-6.1post-1.20040607.29
-------------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeff Johnston  <jjohnstn(a)redhat.com&gt;	1.200400607.29

- Fix low-level lin-lwp code to wait specifically for any stepping
  LWP (bugzilla 130896)

gedit-2.7.92-2
--------------

ghostscript-fonts-5.50-13
-------------------------
* Fri Sep 03 2004 Tim Waugh <twaugh(a)redhat.com&gt; 5.50-13

- Own /usr/share/fonts/default (bug #131650).

* Tue Jun 15 2004 Elliot Lee <sopwith(a)redhat.com&gt;

- rebuilt

gnome-pilot-2.0.11-2
--------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 David Malcolm <dmalcolm(a)redhat.com&gt; - 2.0.11-2

- added patch to fix bz #131560

gnuplot-4.0.0-2
---------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; 4.0.0-2

- %defattr fixes (#131640)

iproute-2.4.7-16
----------------
* Wed May 26 2004 Phil Knirsch <pknirsch(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.4.7-16

- Took tons of manpages from debian, much more complete (#123952).

* Thu May 06 2004 Phil Knirsch <pknirsch(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.4.7-15

- rebuilt

* Thu May 06 2004 Phil Knirsch <pknirsch(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.4.7-13.2

- Built security errata version for FC1.


kdebindings-3.3.0-2
-------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.3.0-2

- get rid of pyqt/sip, separates packages

* Mon Aug 23 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.3.0-1

- update to 3.3.0 release

* Tue Aug 10 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.3.0-0.1.rc2

- update to 3.3.0 rc2


kdevelop-3.1.0-2
----------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.1.0-2

- remove kdevelop-gdb_shared_library.patch, it's include in new upstream
- cleanup specfile

* Wed Sep 01 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.1.0-1

- update to 3.1.0

* Tue Aug 10 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.1.0-0.1.rc2

- update to 3.1.0 rc2


kudzu-1.1.85-1
--------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.1.85-1

- use new pci bits for getting device info (#115522)

libselinux-1.17.8-2
-------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.8-2

- Clean up spec file
	* Patch from Matthias Saou

* Thu Sep 02 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.8-1

- Update from NSA
	* Added set_matchpathcon_printf.

* Wed Sep 01 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.7-1

- Update from NSA
	* Reworked av_inherit.h to allow easier re-use by kernel.


libuser-0.51.10-1
-----------------
* Fri Sep 03 2004 Miloslav Trmac <mitr(a)redhat.com&gt; - 0.51.10-1

- Don't attempt to lookup using original entity name after entity
  modification (rename in particular) (#78376, #121252)
- Fix copying of symlinks from /etc/skel (#87572, original patch from gLaNDix)
- Make --enable-quota work, and fix the quota code to at least compile (#89114)
- Fix several bugs (#120168, original patch from Steve Grubb)
- Don't hardcode python version in spec file (#130952, from Robert Scheck)
- Properly integrate the SELinux patch, it should actually be used now, even
  though it was "enabled" since 0.51.7-6

* Tue Aug 31 2004 Miloslav Trmac <mitr(a)redhat.com&gt; - 0.51.9-1

- Fix various typos
- Document library interfaces
- Build all shared libraries with -fPIC (#72536)

* Wed Aug 25 2004 Miloslav Trmac <mitr(a)redhat.com&gt; - 0.51.8-1

- Update to build with latest autotools and gtk-doc
- Update ALL_LINGUAS and POTFILES.in
- Rebuild to depend on newer openldap


lvm2-2.00.21-2
--------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 2.00.21-2

- fix permissions on vg dirs

mailman-2.1.5-13
----------------
* Wed Sep 01 2004 John Dennis <jdennis(a)redhat.com&gt; 3:2.1.5-13

- fix bug #124208, enable mailman cron jobs from init.d rather than during installation

mc-4.6.1-0.1
------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakub(a)redhat.com&gt; 4.6.1-0.1

- update from CVS
  - handle INFO/LICENSE and INFO/OBSOLETES in rpm vfs (#67341)
- remove mc-cvs-unzip (#85073)
- fix hotkey handling when not UTF-8 (Leonard den Ottolander, #120735)
- allow terminal aliases for keys in mc.lib and ~/mc/ini,
  add gnome, xterm-new and rxvt aliases for xterm (#128163)

memtest86+-1.25-1
-----------------
* Sat Aug 28 2004 Warren Togami <wtogami(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.25-1

- update to 1.25

* Mon Jun 28 2004 Warren Togami <wtogami(a)redhat.com&gt;

- update to 1.20

* Tue Jun 15 2004 Elliot Lee <sopwith(a)redhat.com&gt;

- rebuilt


net-tools-1.60-35
-----------------
* Fri Sep 03 2004 Radek Vokal <rvokal(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.60-35

- The return value of nameif was wrong (#129032) - patch from Fujitsu QA

openssh-3.9p1-3
---------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Daniel Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 3.9p1-3

- Modify Colin Walter's patch to allow specifying rule during connection

pciutils-2.1.99.test8-3
-----------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.1.99.test8-3

- change sysfs access for detecting devices who get fixed up in the
  kernel (#115522, #123802)

readline-4.3-13
---------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 4.3-13

- rebuild so that static linking against readline will work on ppc64 
  without dot symbols

rpmdb-fedora-2.91-0.20040903
----------------------------

rwall-0.17-22
-------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Phil Knirsch <pknirsch(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.17-22

- Add netgroup feature (#62868)
- Fix garbage character at end of output (#62868)

* Tue Jun 15 2004 Elliot Lee <sopwith(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.17-21

- rebuilt

* Wed May 12 2004 Phil Knirsch <pknirsch(a)redhat.com&gt;  0.17-20

- Enabled PIE for server and application.
- Switch from Copyright to License.


selinux-policy-strict-1.17.9-2
------------------------------
* Wed Sep 01 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.9-2

- Clean up patch

* Wed Sep 01 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.9-1

- Latest from NSA
- Merge in Russell Changes

selinux-policy-targeted-1.17.9-2
--------------------------------
* Wed Sep 01 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.9-2

- Clean up patch

* Wed Sep 01 2004 Dan Walsh <dwalsh(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.17.9-1

- Latest from NSA
- Merge in Russell Changes

sysfsutils-1.1.0-2
------------------
* Wed Sep 01 2004 AJ Lewis <alewis(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.1.0-2

- Fix permissions on -devel files

system-config-date-1.7.5-1
--------------------------
* Fri Sep 03 2004 Nils Philippsen <nphilipp(a)redhat.com&gt; 1.7.5-1

- actually display time zone map (#131641)
- put NTP stuff into own tab to better accommodate firstboot (#131314)
- add accelerators to Date & Time tab

udev-030-18
-----------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 030-18

- make the exact device in start_udev (and thus, require new MAKEDEV)

* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 030-17

- make sure file contexts of everything in the tmpfs /dev are set right 
  when start_udev runs

* Thu Sep 02 2004 Harald Hoyer <harald(a)redhat.com&gt; - 030-16

- moved /etc/hotplug.d/default/udev.hotplug to /etc/hotplug.d/default/10-udev.hotplug


valgrind-2.2.0-1
----------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.2.0-1

- update to 2.2.0

* Thu Jul 22 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.1.2-3

- fix packaging of documentation

* Tue Jul 20 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 2.1.2-2

- allow tracing of 32-bit binaries on x86-64


valgrind-callgrind-0.9.8-2
--------------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.9.8-2

- rebuild with valgrind 2.2.0

vte-0.11.11-2
-------------
* Tue Aug 31 2004 Warren Togami <wtogami(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.11.11-2

- #111012 BuildReq gettext, ncurses-devel
- remove large and not useful doc

* Tue Aug 24 2004 Ray Strode <rstrode(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.11.11-1 

- update to 0.11.11

* Tue Aug 24 2004 Ray Strode <rstrode(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.11.10-8 

- Stick bottom row to bottom of terminal when resizing.
  (fixes #130204)


xfce-mcs-plugins-4.0.6-2
------------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 4.0.6-2

- use find_lang macro
- cleanup specfile

xffm-icons-4.0.6-2
------------------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Than Ngo <than(a)redhat.com&gt; 1:4.0.6-2

- add noarch

xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
-------------------
* Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2

- Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
  "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no longer
supports
  the old "keyboard" driver.
- Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
  grep and temporary files.

* Wed Aug 11 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-1

- Update main tarball to CVS export of CVS tag XORG-6_7_99_2 snapshot
- Removed patches that are now included in upstream sources:
  - xorg-x11-6.8.0-ppc64-support-updates.patch
  - xorg-x11-6.8.0-fix-xprint-install.patch
  - xorg-x11-6.8.0-build-fix-for-non-dri-builds.patch
- Remove /etc/init.d/xprint, as we do not ship/support Xprint
- Set "#define BuildXprint NO" in host.def
- Add xorg-x11-6.8.0-fix-BuildXprint.patch to fix "BuildXprint NO"
- Add xorg-x11-6.8.0-ppc64-XorgServer-not-XF86Server-fix.patch to fix ppc64
  build issue due to upstream renaming of XF86Server to XorgServer
- Added "XorgServer NO" to host.def for non-server builds

* Tue Aug 10 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.1-1

- Update main tarball to CVS export of CVS tag XORG-6_7_99_1 snapshot
- Removed patches that are now included in upstream sources:
  - xorg-x11-6.7.0-xkb-sysreq.patch
  - xorg-x11-6.7.0-mga-enable-video-rom-before-using.patch
  - xorg-x11-6.7.0-xset-man-update.patch
  - xorg-libX11-zh_CN.UTF8-crash-fix.patch
  - xorg-x11-6.8.0-i810-remove-stale-sdk-header.patch
- Update xorg-x11-6.8.0-redhat-custom-startup.patch due to Imakefile change
- Fix glitch in macro that disables DRI on ppc builds for fc3/rhel4
- Implemented xorg-x11-6.8.0-build-fix-for-non-dri-builds.patch patch to fix
  a compile time bug in the Radeon driver render acceleration on non-DRI
  builds, where the driver tests if CPStarted is set before calling
  RADEONInit3DEngineForRender(), however CPStarted is not available in
  non-DRI builds.  Also, RADEONInit3DEngineForRender() already correctly
  handles both the DRI and non-DRI cases both at compile and runtime, and
  checks if CPStarted is set internally.  (xorg #1033)


yum-2.1.2-1
-----------
* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 2.1.2-1

- 2.1.2

[Rex Dieter]

Build System wrote:

>  valgrind-callgrind-0.9.8-2
>  --------------------------
>  * Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.9.8-2
>  - rebuild with valgrind 2.2.0 
Why is this pkg not just called "callgrind"?  It's not really a 
subpackage of valgrind (though it depends on it).

(Pet-peave of mine... IMO, rpm package names should mirror upstream 
tarball names when reasonably possible).

-- Rex

[Jakub Jelinek]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 07:30:04AM -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  Build System wrote:
>  
>  >valgrind-callgrind-0.9.8-2
>  >--------------------------
>  >* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.9.8-2
>  >- rebuild with valgrind 2.2.0
>  
>  Why is this pkg not just called "callgrind"?  It's not really a 
>  subpackage of valgrind (though it depends on it). 
It is a valgrind plugin.

	Jakub

[Stefan Hoelldampf]

Rex Dieter wrote:

> >valgrind-callgrind-0.9.8-2
> >--------------------------
> >* Thu Sep 02 2004 Jakub Jelinek <jakuB(a)redhat.com&gt; 0.9.8-2
> >- rebuild with valgrind 2.2.0
>  
>  Why is this pkg not just called "callgrind"?  It's not really a 
>  subpackage of valgrind (though it depends on it). 
Trying to rebuild valgrind-callgrind-0.9.8-2.src.rpm on FC2 fails if the
valgrind-2.2.0 is installed:

checking for valgrind installation... in /usr
checking if vg_skin.h is available... Yes
checking for valgrind version... valgrind-2.2.0
checking if skin version is supported... configure: error: The installed
stable Valgrind is too new for this package. Please update this package!

Regards,
	Stefan

[seth vidal]

>  yum-2.1.2-1
>  -----------
>  * Thu Sep 02 2004 Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com&gt; - 2.1.2-1
>  
>  - 2.1.2 

If you have the option, don't use 2.1.2 - it's got a couple of
outstanding bugs.

Nothing that will break anything it just sucks. :)
-sv

[Dax Kelson]

>  xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
>  -------------------
>  * Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
>  
>  - Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
>    "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no longer
> supports
>    the old "keyboard" driver.
>  - Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
>    grep and temporary files. 
Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?

There have been many bugzilla bugs filed and fixed over the years
removing perl from rpm scripts.

Dax Kelson
Guru Labs

[Mike A. Harris]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Dax Kelson wrote:

> > xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
> > -------------------
> > * Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
> > 
> > - Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
> >   "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no
> longer supports
> >   the old "keyboard" driver.
> > - Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
> >   grep and temporary files.
>
> Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change? 
What policy?

> There have been many bugzilla bugs filed and fixed over the years
> removing perl from rpm scripts. 
That may be so, but it is impossible to install a modern Red Hat 
OS without installing perl.  Since perl is guaranteed to be 
there, because so many parts of the OS require it, I see no 
reason not to use it.  It's been present in XFree86 packaging 
for ages now.  I've even considered making all of the rpm scripts 
pure perl by using #!/usr/bin/perl shebangs.  ;o)

The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which 
used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to 
not use perl.


-- 
Mike A. Harris        ftp://people.redhat.com/mharris
OS Systems Engineer   -   X11 Developer   -   Red Hat

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:59:36PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>  >Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts
> change?
>  
>  What policy? 
The "no perl" policy. We certainly used to have one. Part of the problem is
that perl is *huge* and causes dependancy loops. Another part is that the
perl syntax varies by release [until we get perl6]. That means a perl scriptlet
might get run by something quite different.

>  That may be so, but it is impossible to install a modern Red Hat 
>  OS without installing perl.  Since perl is guaranteed to be  
Nope. I do it for all my firewalls. rpm -e perl is the highlight of the
install experience ;)

>  for ages now.  I've even considered making all of the rpm scripts
>
>  pure perl by using #!/usr/bin/perl shebangs.  ;o) 
/usb/bin/perl5 ??

>  The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which 
>  used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to 
>  not use perl. 
To quote a former employee:
	 "We don't like it, it's perl"
                -Trond Eivind Glomsr

[Daniel Veillard]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:07:52PM -0400, Alan Cox wrote:
>  On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 01:59:36PM -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>  > >Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  > 
>  > What policy?
>  
>  The "no perl" policy. We certainly used to have one. Part of the problem is
>  that perl is *huge* and causes dependancy loops. Another part is that the
>  perl syntax varies by release [until we get perl6]. That means a perl scriptlet
>  might get run by something quite different.
>  
>  > That may be so, but it is impossible to install a modern Red Hat 
>  > OS without installing perl.  Since perl is guaranteed to be 
>  
>  Nope. I do it for all my firewalls. rpm -e perl is the highlight of the
>  install experience ;) 
  The let's rewrite rpm in perl, will be easier to debug, we can then 
swap the spec syntax by perl's ones, and someone else takes care of the
portability problem, plus this will annoy Yum and up2date maintainers
to no end ...

  /me ducks and run ...

Daniel

-- 
Daniel Veillard      | Red Hat Desktop team http://redhat.com/
veillard(a)redhat.com  | libxml GNOME XML XSLT toolkit  http://xmlsoft.org/
http://veillard.com/ | Rpmfind RPM search engine http://rpmfind.net/

[Steven Pritchard]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:38:26PM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote:
>    The let's rewrite rpm in perl 
The first version of rpm was written in Perl...

  ftp://ftp.rpm.org/pub/rpm/dist/rpm-1.x/

Steve
-- 
Steven Pritchard - K&S Pritchard Enterprises, Inc.
Email: steve(a)kspei.com             http://www.kspei.com/
Phone: [phone]               Mobile: [phone]

[Alan Cox]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:38:26PM -0400, Daniel Veillard wrote:
>    The let's rewrite rpm in perl, will be easier to debug, we can
> then 
>  swap the spec syntax by perl's ones, and someone else takes care of the 
Thats how it started. Take a look at a Red Hat mothers day CD

[Jean-Luc Fontaine]

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Alan Cox wrote:

| Nope. I do it for all my firewalls. rpm -e perl is the highlight of the
| install experience ;)

Sorry about the noise, but I just had to express my thankfulness for
such a statement... It makes me feel good.

- --
Jean-Luc Fontaine  mailto:[e-mail]  http://jfontain.free.fr/
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[Warren Togami]

Alan Cox wrote:
>  
> >That may be so, but it is impossible to install a modern Red Hat 
> >OS without installing perl.  Since perl is guaranteed to be 
>  
>  
>  Nope. I do it for all my firewalls. rpm -e perl is the highlight of the
>  install experience ;) 
It is impossible to not have perl in a minimal rpmbuild environment, so 
it should be okay to use it during rpmbuild.

Warren

[Axel Thimm]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 11:51:48AM -0600, Dax Kelson wrote:
>  > xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
>  > * Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
>  > 
>  > - Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
>  >   "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no
> longer supports
>  >   the old "keyboard" driver.
>  > - Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
>  >   grep and temporary files.
>  
>  Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  
>  There have been many bugzilla bugs filed and fixed over the years
>  removing perl from rpm scripts. 
On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 05:03:34PM -1000, Warren Togami wrote:
>  Alan Cox wrote:
>  >
>  >>That may be so, but it is impossible to install a modern Red Hat 
>  >>OS without installing perl.  Since perl is guaranteed to be 
>  >
>  >
>  >Nope. I do it for all my firewalls. rpm -e perl is the highlight of the
>  >install experience ;)
>  
>  It is impossible to not have perl in a minimal rpmbuild environment, so 
>  it should be okay to use it during rpmbuild. 
That has nothing to do with Dax's remark, build time != install time.

And the only only dependencies of rpm-build on perl are on in these
times unused perl scripts sitting around having been obsolted by rpm's
internal __find_requires/__find_provides. I doubt any modern Red Hat
rpm needs these script to be build (if it does in needs an update).
-- 
Axel.Thimm at ATrpms.net

[Konstantin Ryabitsev]

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 13:59 -0400, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>  I've even considered making all of the rpm scripts 
>  pure perl by using #!/usr/bin/perl shebangs.  ;o) 
Just in case, you know, your eyes weren't quite bleeding enough from
reading the .spec files themselves. :)

Regards,
-- 
Konstantin ("Icon") Ryabitsev
Duke University Physics Sysadmin

[Elliot Lee]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Mike A. Harris wrote:

>  The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which 
>  used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to 
>  not use perl. 
It's big and causes dependency loops, and it doesn't sound necessary in
this case. ('perl -pi' uses temporary files too, it just hides them.)

The script does look a little nicer with perl, but pretty isn't enough. :\

FWIW,
-- Elliot
The daring is in the doing

http://people.redhat.com/sopwith/

[Jakub Jelinek]

On Fri, Sep 03, 2004 at 02:34:40PM -0400, Elliot Lee wrote:
>  On Fri, 3 Sep 2004, Mike A. Harris wrote:
>  
>  > The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which 
>  > used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to 
>  > not use perl.
>  
>  It's big and causes dependency loops, and it doesn't sound necessary in
>  this case. ('perl -pi' uses temporary files too, it just hides them.)
>  
>  The script does look a little nicer with perl, but pretty isn't enough. :\ 
Furthermore you can
sed -i -e 's/foo/bar/' baz
too.

	Jakub

[Ville Skyttä]

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 22:18, Jakub Jelinek wrote:

>  Furthermore you can
>  sed -i -e 's/foo/bar/' baz
>  too. 
Yes, as long as you assume sed >= 3.95 for '-i' (which means >= RH9,
probably not an issue here) and are careful with your regexps.  Unlike
perl, sed has hideous regexp syntax/semantic incompatibilities between
versions.

[Michael Schwendt]

On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT), Mike A. Harris wrote:

>  >Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which 
>  used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to 
>  not use perl. 
"sed -i" is one reason, albeit impossible with Red Hat Enterprise
Linux 2.x or Red Hat Linux <= 8.0

-- 
Fedora Core release 1 (Yarrow) - Linux 2.4.22-1.2199.nptl
loadavg: 0.19 0.22 0.11

[Ronny Buchmann]

On Saturday 04 September 2004 14:15, Michael Schwendt wrote:
>  On Fri, 3 Sep 2004 13:59:36 -0400 (EDT), Mike A. Harris wrote:
>  > >Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  >
>  > The perl code present now, replaces some very ugly sed code which
>  > used temporary files.  I see no compelling technical reason to
>  > not use perl.
>
>  "sed -i" is one reason, albeit impossible with Red Hat Enterprise
>  Linux 2.x or Red Hat Linux <= 8.0 
temporary files are the smaller part of the
problem
the big one is the unpredictable (and very limited) sed regex syntax

-- 
http://LinuxWiki.org/RonnyBuchmann

Religous wars

[Stephen Smoogen]

Dax Kelson wrote:
> >xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
> >-------------------
> >* Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
> >
> >- Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
> >  "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no longer
> supports
> >  the old "keyboard" driver.
> >- Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
> >  grep and temporary files.
>  
>  
>  Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  
>  There have been many bugzilla bugs filed and fixed over the years
>  removing perl from rpm scripts.
>   
Wow. I havent seen a good religous war in some time. Will be burning 
Larry Wall or Guido today? Its getting cold out soon so how about 
burning them both and the rest of the heretics who do not use awk.

[Sorry.. just had a long 'discussion' on how Debian was the one true OS 
and RH/Fedora/Gentoo heretics were the cause of all problems on the 
earth.. I didnt figure I would see one here too.]

-- 
Stephen John Smoogen		smoogen(a)lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Lab  CCN-5 | PH: 4-0645
Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S  Los Alamos, NM 87545

Religous wars

[Dax Kelson]

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 14:45, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
>  Dax Kelson wrote:
>  >>xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
>  >>-------------------
>  >>* Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
>  >>
>  >>- Added code to the rpm pre script to munge the config file to change the
>  >>  "keyboard" driver to "kbd" driver on upgrades, as XOrg no
> longer supports
>  >>  the old "keyboard" driver.
>  >>- Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
>  >>  grep and temporary files.
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Did the policy on no perl in RPM pre/post install scripts change?
>  > 
>  > There have been many bugzilla bugs filed and fixed over the years
>  > removing perl from rpm scripts.
>  > 
>  
>  Wow. I havent seen a good religous war in some time. Will be burning 
>  Larry Wall or Guido today? Its getting cold out soon so how about 
>  burning them both and the rest of the heretics who do not use awk.
>  
>  [Sorry.. just had a long 'discussion' on how Debian was the one true OS 
>  and RH/Fedora/Gentoo heretics were the cause of all problems on the 
>  earth.. I didnt figure I would see one here too.] 
Nah.

This is not a religious thing. And my post wasn't meant as a troll.

Read all the justification posts about lean installs without perl, etc.

Dax

Religous wars

[Stephen Smoogen]

Dax Kelson wrote:
>  On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 14:45, Stephen J Smoogen wrote: 
>  
>  Nah.
>  
>  This is not a religious thing. And my post wasn't meant as a troll.
>   
No it wasnt.. mine ended up being more like one.. probably because of 
other conversations I had just gotten out of.

>  Read all the justification posts about lean installs without perl,
> etc.
>   
I understand the justification for not using perl, and I can see the 
justification of using perl. I just see some of the trolls below your 
message as me-andering into a discussion of what the 
one-true-scripting-language should be based off of feelings/emotions 
versus technical effects.

In the end, it is up to the Fedora leadership to come up with a 
published policy on how official core/extra spec files should be 
scripted. And if perl/python/tcl/ruby isnt to be used in them.. then 
someone should help make the various sed bits more manageble to use for 
the developers who are stuck not using the language their brain finds 
most comfortable.


-- 
Stephen John Smoogen		smoogen(a)lanl.gov
Los Alamos National Lab  CCN-5 | PH: 4-0645
Ta-03 SM-1498 MailStop B255 DP 10S  Los Alamos, NM 87545

Religous wars

[Paul Iadonisi]

On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 18:34, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
>  Dax Kelson wrote:
>  > On Fri, 2004-09-03 at 14:45, Stephen J Smoogen wrote:
>  
>  > 
>  > Nah.
>  > 
>  > This is not a religious thing. And my post wasn't meant as a troll.
>  > 
>  
>  No it wasnt.. mine ended up being more like one.. probably because of 
>  other conversations I had just gotten out of. 
  You fell victim to one of the classic blunders, the most famous of
which is "Never get involved in a land war in Asia", but only slightly
less well known is this: "Never go in against a Sicilian, when *death*
is on the line.".  But even less well known is never get in argument
over operating systems with a Debianite.  Hahahahahah.


-- 
-Paul Iadonisi
 Senior System Administrator
 Red Hat Certified Engineer / Local Linux Lobbyist
 Ever see a penguin fly?  --  Try Linux.
 GPL all the way: Sell services, don't lease secrets

[Enrico Scholz]

buildsys(a)redhat.com (Build System) writes:

>  xorg-x11-6.7.99.2-2
>  -------------------
>  * Thu Aug 12 2004 Mike A. Harris <mharris(a)redhat.com&gt; 6.7.99.2-2
>  ...
>  - Use perl -p -i -e in pre rpm script for all config file munging instead of
>    grep and temporary files. 
FWIW: the shipped 'sed' supports an '-i' option also...



Enrico