f32-backgrounds look like crap

[Leigh Scott]

If there any plan to fix them?

https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%...

[Peter Robinson]

Hi Leigh,

>  If there any plan to fix them? 
Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.

I personally quite like the 90s retro look.

>
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[Leigh Scott]

>  Hi Leigh,
>  
>  
>  Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
>  use words like that to describe other people's work in the community. 
That was the nicest term I could use to describe it!

> 
> I personally quite like the 90s retro look.
> 
> >
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[Peter Robinson]

>  > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no
> need to
>  > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.
>
>  That was the nicest term I could use to describe it! 
Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it to yourself.

[Benson Muite]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > Hi Leigh,
>  > 
>  > 
>  > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
>  > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.
>  
>  That was the nicest term I could use to describe it!
>  
>  > 
>  > I personally quite like the 90s retro look.
>  >  
Hi Leigh,

Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
Please vote for ones that you like.

The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed. 
Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure 
there is a wide choice of excellent candidates.

[Leigh Scott]

>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  
>  Hi Leigh,
>  
>  Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  Please vote for ones that you like.
>  
>  The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed. 
>  Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure 
>  there is a wide choice of excellent candidates. 
Vote done, they are much better than the default.

[Markus Larsson]

On 17 April 2020 15:17:50 CEST, Leigh Scott <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
> > 
> > Hi Leigh,
> > 
> > Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
> > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
> > Please vote for ones that you like.
> > 
> > The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed. 
> > Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure 
> > there is a wide choice of excellent candidates.
>
> Vote done, they are much better than the default. 
Good that you found something you liked.

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[Kamil Paral]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:51 PM Leigh Scott <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  If there any plan to fix them?
>
>
>
> https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%...

When I updated, I honestly thought that my graphics drivers were broken. I
don't think that's a positive outcome. I think the previous version
(differently colored, without such heavy dithering) was better. This one
looks like a picture with jpeg quality 30.

I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder
if we could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here
are some of my favorite ones:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7

Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding. Can
we do more of those, please?

[Christopher Engelhard]

On 17.04.20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was
> outstanding.
>  Can we do more of those, please? 
Not weighing in on the merits of the current art, but 16 is still my
favourite default artwork of any distro, ever.

[Michael Catanzaro]

FWIW I quite like the final version of the wallpaper. I don't like is 
that it was changed at the last minute prior to final release -- that 
was a process problem, for sure -- but I'm happy with the result. It's 
not crap. That's just rude.

>  I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases.
> I 
>  wonder if we could go back to more artistic images from previous 
>  releases? Here are some of my favorite ones: 
I guess personal taste is at issue here, so I will provide the complete 
opposite feedback. IMO our default wallpapers are at their best when 
they're abstract and geometric. The new version of the F32 wallpaper is 
one of my all-time favorites. Looks like a lot of effort went into 
getting the textures just right. The old cyan version of F32 was good 
too. I'm also a big fan of F28, F23, F22, F20, F19, F18, F12. Notice we 
didn't pick any the same. Geometric wallpapers are slick, professional, 
and work well everywhere. Artsy backgrounds can be fun too, but they 
can be more hit and miss as defaults IMO.

Ubuntu's default backgrounds are always excellent. I like how they 
manage to use the same theme for every release to build up a strong, 
immediately-recognizable brand, yet still change things up a little bit 
to keep it interesting.

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:09 +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > > Hi Leigh,
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
>  > > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.
>  > 
>  > That was the nicest term I could use to describe it!
>  > 
>  > > I personally quite like the 90s retro look.
>  > > 
>  
>  Hi Leigh,
>  
>  Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  Please vote for ones that you like.
>  
>  The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed. 
>  Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure 
>  there is a wide choice of excellent candidates. 
For people who have Strong Opinions (TM) about wallpapers, the design
process is open: you could have been reviewing the candidates and the
refinement process as it happened, and providing (respectful!) input
there...

https://pagure.io/design/issue/669

for instance, the halftoning is a choice, and there were candidates
with more and less of it, and only a handful of people giving their
opinions...
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[Dan Book]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:12 AM Adam Williamson <adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 16:09 +0300, Benson Muite wrote:
>  > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > > > Hi Leigh,
>  > > >
>  > > >
>  > > > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
>  > > > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.
>  > >
>  > > That was the nicest term I could use to describe it!
>  > >
>  > > > I personally quite like the 90s retro look.
>  > > >
>  >
>  > Hi Leigh,
>  >
>  > Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  > Please vote for ones that you like.
>  >
>  > The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed.
>  > Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure
>  > there is a wide choice of excellent candidates.
>
>  For people who have Strong Opinions (TM) about wallpapers, the design
>  process is open: you could have been reviewing the candidates and the
>  refinement process as it happened, and providing (respectful!) input
>  there...
>
>  https://pagure.io/design/issue/669
>
>  for instance, the halftoning is a choice, and there were candidates
>  with more and less of it, and only a handful of people giving their
>  opinions...
>  
I don't have an opinion on the artistic value of it (or any previous Fedora
background), but functionally, it has a low quality appearance which many
people won't look past, and it is busy with color contrast making it
difficult to see desktop icons.

-Dan

[Tomasz Torcz]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 04:47:54PM +0200, Christopher Engelhard wrote:
>  On 17.04.20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding.
>  > Can we do more of those, please?
>  
>  Not weighing in on the merits of the current art, but 16 is still my
>  favourite default artwork of any distro, ever. 
  Nooo, 26 was a real piece of art! ;)
  A refresher:
  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers


-- 
Tomasz Torcz               There exists no separation between gods and men:
tomek(a)pipebreaker.pl       one blends softly casual into the other.  — Frank Herbert

[Geoffrey Marr]

> When I updated, I honestly thought that my graphics drivers were
> broken. 
Me too.

Geoff Marr
IRC: coremodule


On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 8:09 AM Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:51 PM Leigh Scott
> <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > If there any plan to fix them?
> >
> >
> >
> https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%...
>
>
>  When I updated, I honestly thought that my graphics drivers were broken. I
>  don't think that's a positive outcome. I think the previous version
>  (differently colored, without such heavy dithering) was better. This one
>  looks like a picture with jpeg quality 30.
>
>  I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder
>  if we could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here
>  are some of my favorite ones:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
>
>  Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding.
>  Can we do more of those, please?
>
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[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, 17 April 2020 16.03.49 WEST Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  I guess personal taste is at issue here, so I will provide the
> complete
>  opposite feedback. IMO our default wallpapers are at their best when
>  they're abstract and geometric. The new version of the F32 wallpaper is
>  one of my all-time favorites. Looks like a lot of effort went into
>  getting the textures just right. The old cyan version of F32 was good
>  too. I'm also a big fan of F28, F23, F22, F20, F19, F18, F12. Notice we
>  didn't pick any the same. Geometric wallpapers are slick, professional,
>  and work well everywhere. Artsy backgrounds can be fun too, but they
>  can be more hit and miss as defaults IMO. 
Thank you for calling us unsophisticated, to all those that are not adept 
of Postmodernism and in particular of Deconstructivism. ;-)

There is no need to answer. :-)
-- 
José Abílio

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 06:04:21PM +0100, José Abílio Matos wrote:
>     On Friday, 17 April 2020 16.03.49 WEST Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  
>     > I guess personal taste is at issue here, so I will provide the complete
>  
>     > opposite feedback. IMO our default wallpapers are at their best when
>  
>     > they're abstract and geometric. The new version of the F32 wallpaper is
>  
>     > one of my all-time favorites. Looks like a lot of effort went into
>  
>     > getting the textures just right. The old cyan version of F32 was good
>  
>     > too. I'm also a big fan of F28, F23, F22, F20, F19, F18, F12. Notice we
>  
>     > didn't pick any the same. Geometric wallpapers are slick, professional,
>  
>     > and work well everywhere. Artsy backgrounds can be fun too, but they
>  
>     > can be more hit and miss as defaults IMO.
>  
>      
>  
>     Thank you for calling us unsophisticated, to all those that are not adept
>     of Postmodernism and in particular of Deconstructivism. ;-) 
I really do not see how you could construct this reply from Michael's.
He clearly starts with IMO and the rest of is the expression of his opinion, he
never calls anyone anything.

I'm confused here.

Pierre

[stan]

On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 12:49:48 -0000
"Leigh Scott" <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  If there any plan to fix them?
>  
>
> https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%...
As a contrasting opinion, I accept, and am indifferent to, whatever
wallpaper the Fedora release process chooses.  I don't know if it will
work on your system, but I use wallpapoz, and only see images that I
have chosen to see after the first boot or two.  I set it so that every
window gets a different background.

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Friday, April 17, 2020 5:49:48 AM MST Leigh Scott wrote:
>  If there any plan to fix them?
>  
>  https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202
>  020-04-17%2013-32-22.png 
Wow, that does look pretty shitty. Perhaps one of the old ones could be re-
used?

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr.
Splentity

[Markus Larsson]

On 17 April 2020 21:00:55 CEST, "John M. Harris Jr" <johnmh(a)splentity.com&gt;
wrote:
> On Friday, April 17, 2020 5:49:48 AM MST Leigh Scott wrote:
> > If there any plan to fix them?
> > 
> > https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%202
> > 020-04-17%2013-32-22.png
>
> Wow, that does look pretty shitty. Perhaps one of the old ones could be re-
> used? 
Maybe there's some kind of personal taste involved here. Perhaps instead of saying
that something "is shitty" we could maybe opt for saying things like "Wow,
I really don't like that" because that is instantly interpreted as opinion no
matter what language you're a native of.
I didn't realise how important wallpapers seem to be to people, given that it is not
even hard work to change it.
Not everyone will like everything but we can at least keep a nice tone.
Also, John I don't mean to single you out in any way. 

Br
M
>

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:04 AM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt; wrote:
>  FWIW I quite like the final version of the wallpaper. I don't like is
>  that it was changed at the last minute prior to final release -- that
>  was a process problem, for sure -- but I'm happy with the result. It's
>  not crap. That's just rude.
>
>  > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I
>  > wonder if we could go back to more artistic images from previous
>  > releases? Here are some of my favorite ones:
>
>  I guess personal taste is at issue here, so I will provide the complete
>  opposite feedback. IMO our default wallpapers are at their best when
>  they're abstract and geometric. The new version of the F32 wallpaper is
>  one of my all-time favorites. Looks like a lot of effort went into
>  getting the textures just right. The old cyan version of F32 was good
>  too. I'm also a big fan of F28, F23, F22, F20, F19, F18, F12. Notice we
>  didn't pick any the same. Geometric wallpapers are slick, professional,
>  and work well everywhere. Artsy backgrounds can be fun too, but they
>  can be more hit and miss as defaults IMO.
>
>  Ubuntu's default backgrounds are always excellent. I like how they
>  manage to use the same theme for every release to build up a strong,
>  immediately-recognizable brand, yet still change things up a little bit
>  to keep it interesting.
>  
My personal favorites were Fedora Core 5 and Fedora Core 6:

FC5: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_Core_5
FC6: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_Core_6

Of the two, I loved FC6 more, because I thought the way the Fedora
logo was used throughout the artwork was really well-done. And it
conveyed what I felt Fedora was about very well: Fedorans are the
community, and the community is part of our DNA. Later Fedora releases
did a good job providing a coherent theme based on codenames.

For the past few years, we've lost a lot of visual differentiation as
we've scaled back or killed off aspects of our unique per-release or
project identity embodied in the distribution. There were even a
couple of times where we went with what I felt to be uselessly bland
artwork that I thought made Fedora look like a non-entity.

The last few releases have had some interesting wallpapers, but we
never quite got the same visual appeal that we had before.

And to Michael's point about Ubuntu's branding, they have a set of
design principles that they use to simultaneously present "Ubuntu" and
the Ubuntu "release" by leveraging their codename scheme and imbuing
it in the artwork in creative ways. That's not a thing we do in Fedora
anymore... :(



-- 
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Adam Williamson]

On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:13 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>  
>  Of the two, I loved FC6 more, because I thought the way the Fedora
>  logo was used throughout the artwork was really well-done. And it
>  conveyed what I felt Fedora was about very well: Fedorans are the
>  community, and the community is part of our DNA. Later Fedora releases
>  did a good job providing a coherent theme based on codenames.
>  
>  For the past few years, we've lost a lot of visual differentiation as
>  we've scaled back or killed off aspects of our unique per-release or
>  project identity embodied in the distribution. There were even a
>  couple of times where we went with what I felt to be uselessly bland
>  artwork that I thought made Fedora look like a non-entity.
>  
>  The last few releases have had some interesting wallpapers, but we
>  never quite got the same visual appeal that we had before.
>  
>  And to Michael's point about Ubuntu's branding, they have a set of
>  design principles that they use to simultaneously present "Ubuntu" and
>  the Ubuntu "release" by leveraging their codename scheme and imbuing
>  it in the artwork in creative ways. That's not a thing we do in Fedora
>  anymore... :( 
None of this is free, it needs people to show up and do the work. Just
as with coding or package management, there is very little value in
saying "boy, I sure wish someone else would do all this cool stuff I've
thought of". If you want it to happen, get together with like-minded
folks and do it...
-- 
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
IRC: adamw | Twitter: AdamW_Fedora | XMPP: adamw AT happyassassin . net
http://www.happyassassin.net

[Neal Gompa]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 3:24 PM Adam Williamson
<adamwill(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:13 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>  >
>  > Of the two, I loved FC6 more, because I thought the way the Fedora
>  > logo was used throughout the artwork was really well-done. And it
>  > conveyed what I felt Fedora was about very well: Fedorans are the
>  > community, and the community is part of our DNA. Later Fedora releases
>  > did a good job providing a coherent theme based on codenames.
>  >
>  > For the past few years, we've lost a lot of visual differentiation as
>  > we've scaled back or killed off aspects of our unique per-release or
>  > project identity embodied in the distribution. There were even a
>  > couple of times where we went with what I felt to be uselessly bland
>  > artwork that I thought made Fedora look like a non-entity.
>  >
>  > The last few releases have had some interesting wallpapers, but we
>  > never quite got the same visual appeal that we had before.
>  >
>  > And to Michael's point about Ubuntu's branding, they have a set of
>  > design principles that they use to simultaneously present "Ubuntu" and
>  > the Ubuntu "release" by leveraging their codename scheme and imbuing
>  > it in the artwork in creative ways. That's not a thing we do in Fedora
>  > anymore... :(
>
>  None of this is free, it needs people to show up and do the work. Just
>  as with coding or package management, there is very little value in
>  saying "boy, I sure wish someone else would do all this cool stuff I've
>  thought of". If you want it to happen, get together with like-minded
>  folks and do it... 
I know, and if I were anything resembling an artist, I would have done
something about it. Alas, my skills are quite bad in this domain. :)



-- 
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

Previous awesome background images

[Miro Hrončok]

On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases.
> I wonder if we 
>  could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are some of 
>  my favorite ones:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
>  
>  Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding. Can we 
>  do more of those, please? 
I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.

"As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the alphabet and 
come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to serve as 
an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"

https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/

I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning 
for stopping that.)

(I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in what was 
in there.)

-- 
Miro Hrončok
--
Phone: [phone]
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[Leigh Scott]

>  Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it to
> yourself. 
It's a free country with free speech.
If you don't like it don't read it!

[Markus Larsson]

On 18 April 2020 07:49:18 CEST, Leigh Scott <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
> > Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it
> to yourself.
>
> It's a free country with free speech.
> If you don't like it don't read it! 
You do realise that asking someone nicely is not the same as trying to take away their
free speech, right?
Free speech also doesn't mean free from criticism.

M

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[Ty Young]

On 4/17/20 2:23 PM, Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:13 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > Of the two, I loved FC6 more, because I thought the way the Fedora
> > logo was used throughout the artwork was really well-done. And it
> > conveyed what I felt Fedora was about very well: Fedorans are the
> > community, and the community is part of our DNA. Later Fedora releases
> > did a good job providing a coherent theme based on codenames.
> >
> > For the past few years, we've lost a lot of visual differentiation as
> > we've scaled back or killed off aspects of our unique per-release or
> > project identity embodied in the distribution. There were even a
> > couple of times where we went with what I felt to be uselessly bland
> > artwork that I thought made Fedora look like a non-entity.
> >
> > The last few releases have had some interesting wallpapers, but we
> > never quite got the same visual appeal that we had before.
> >
> > And to Michael's point about Ubuntu's branding, they have a set of
> > design principles that they use to simultaneously present "Ubuntu" and
> > the Ubuntu "release" by leveraging their codename scheme and imbuing
> > it in the artwork in creative ways. That's not a thing we do in Fedora
> > anymore... :(
>  None of this is free, it needs people to show up and do the work. Just
>  as with coding or package management, there is very little value in
>  saying "boy, I sure wish someone else would do all this cool stuff I've
>  thought of". If you want it to happen, get together with like-minded
>  folks and do it... 

Sadly things aren't that simple.


Even once you put lots of time and effort into making something, you 
still then need to worry about people(or organizations) thinking they're 
special and can do whatever they want, breaking that thing you spent 
lots of time and effort making.


Nor do you need lots of people to do it. Many current or former projects 
have been done by a single person. Personal desire or need goes a long way.


Anyway, background image reminds me of Windows 95. Having a "retro" 
background image(if that's what it's supposed to be) as an option isn't 
a bad idea, but it probably isn't a good idea as a default.

[Miro Hrončok]

On 18. 04. 20 7:49, Leigh Scott wrote:
> > Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it
> to yourself.
>  It's a free country with free speech. 
Whatever country you are talking about, this is Fedora and not a country and in 
Fedora, we are nice to each other. Telling you not to express your opinion if 
you cannot do it in a decent way is not violating your free speech right. You 
are welcome to continue saying whatever you want, just not here.

-- 
Miro Hrončok
--
Phone: [phone]
IRC: mhroncok

[Göran Uddeborg]

Leigh Scott:
>  If there any plan to fix them? 
Pick another if you don't like the default.

[Peter Robinson]

>  My personal favorites were Fedora Core 5 and Fedora Core 6:
>
>  FC5: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_Core_5
>  FC6: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_Core_6 
Ha, I never realised that wiki page existed, it brings back good memories :)

Of the recent releases F-26 and F-29 were faves, I also like the ones
that change during the day, I had forgotten about those :-)

f32-backgrounds look like

[Chris Murphy]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 11:49 PM Leigh Scott <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  > Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it to yourself.
>
>  It's a free country with free speech.
>  If you don't like it don't read it! 
This is wrong. The U.S. first amendment is a limitation on the
government inhibiting individual free speech. There is no such
limitation on private organizations. Your speech can reasonably be
considered a violation of the Fedora Code of Conduct.
https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/project/code-of-conduct/

Specifically, your speech is inconsiderate and disrespectful. It's
trending toward poor behavior and manners, rather than being helpful.
And it isn't welcome.


-- 
Chris Murphy

[John M. Harris Jr]

On Friday, April 17, 2020 10:49:18 PM MST Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > Well then please don't express your opinion then and keep it
> to yourself.
>  
>  
>  It's a free country with free speech.
>  If you don't like it don't read it! 
Leigh's message wasn't targeted at any given individual, and to make this a 
CoC issue is absurd. If anything, attacking Leigh like this is against the 
Four Foundations, specifically the "Friends" portion. 

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr.
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[John M. Harris Jr]

On Saturday, April 18, 2020 2:00:27 AM MST Göran Uddeborg wrote:
>  Leigh Scott:
>  
>  > If there any plan to fix them?
>  
>  
>  Pick another if you don't like the default. 
It's a larger issue than that if the default wallpapers make people think 
they're having graphics issues..

-- 
John M. Harris, Jr.
Splentity

[Peter Robinson]

>  > > Well then please don't express your opinion then and
> keep it to yourself.
>  >
>  >
>  > It's a free country with free speech.
>  > If you don't like it don't read it!
>
>  Leigh's message wasn't targeted at any given individual, and to make this a
>  CoC issue is absurd. If anything, attacking Leigh like this is against the
>  Four Foundations, specifically the "Friends" portion. 
I'm not sure about your friends, but my friends don't call things I do
"crap", if they find something I've done isn't to their taste they use
better words to express their dismay. this isn't about a CoC issue
it's just about being nice and providing constructive criticism and
I'm sorry there is nothing in "looks like crap" that is constructive.

Peter

[Silvia Sánchez]

Hello everyone!

I specially love this one:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/File:Sky-background3-c.png  Shame it's so
small.
I don't feel like my screen is broken.  While I'm not a big fan of squares
and similar background, I did appreciate the retro style.  I didn't assume
there was something wrong but that it was intended.  There's a different
between crap/broken and artistic choice.

Kind regards,
Lailah


On Fri, 17 Apr 2020 at 16:09, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 2:51 PM Leigh Scott
> <leigh123linux(a)gmail.com&gt;
>  wrote:
>
> > If there any plan to fix them?
> >
> >
> >
> https://leigh123linux.fedorapeople.org/pub/screenshots/Screenshot%20from%...
>
>
>  When I updated, I honestly thought that my graphics drivers were broken. I
>  don't think that's a positive outcome. I think the previous version
>  (differently colored, without such heavy dithering) was better. This one
>  looks like a picture with jpeg quality 30.
>
>  I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder
>  if we could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here
>  are some of my favorite ones:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
>
>  Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding.
>  Can we do more of those, please?
>
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[Kevin Kofler]

Adam Williamson wrote:
>  for instance, the halftoning is a choice 
Well, I don't see how it makes sense to deliberately create a low-quality 
image with no technical need (nor technical benefits such as size saving).

        Kevin Kofler

[Kevin Kofler]

Adam Williamson wrote:
>  On Fri, 2020-04-17 at 15:13 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > And to Michael's point about Ubuntu's branding, they have a set of
> > design principles that they use to simultaneously present "Ubuntu" and
> > the Ubuntu "release" by leveraging their codename scheme and imbuing
> > it in the artwork in creative ways. That's not a thing we do in Fedora
> > anymore... :(
>  
>  None of this is free, it needs people to show up and do the work. Just
>  as with coding or package management, there is very little value in
>  saying "boy, I sure wish someone else would do all this cool stuff I've
>  thought of". If you want it to happen, get together with like-minded
>  folks and do it... 
Well, this is not a manpower issue. It was a deliberate decision to remove 
the Fedora logo from the wallpaper, in order to make life easier for Remix 
distributions. It was also a deliberate decision to discontinue release 
names, after a few particularly unflattering ones had been selected: inside 
jokes (and one that also happened to offend all Hindus, vegetarians, and 
vegans at once), villains, even a reference to a certain kind of software 
bugs! These decisions (which were made for a reason, as you can see) are why 
the Fedora artists can no longer employ this pattern for their wallpapers, 
not any kind of lack of manpower.

        Kevin Kofler

[Neal Gompa]

On Sun, Apr 19, 2020 at 10:13 AM Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; wrote:
>  after a few particularly unflattering ones had been selected: inside
>  jokes (and one that also happened to offend all Hindus, vegetarians, and
>  vegans at once), 
I happen to be offended by that slight of offense! /s

Seriously, as a member of one of those groups (not saying which one!),
I thought Beefy Miracle was an awesome name.

Heck, the whole theme was made by a vegetarian (Will Woods)!


-- 
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Peter Oliver]

>  Well, I don't see how it makes sense to deliberately create a
> low-quality 
>  image with no technical need (nor technical benefits such as size saving). 
I'd suggest it's for roughly the same reason that people still paint paintings
when, nowadays, they could just take a photograph.  I don't pretend to know much about
art, but that seems to be pretty intrinsic to how it works.

[Paul Dufresne]

Le 20-04-17 à 09 h 09, Benson Muite a écrit :
>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  Please vote for ones that you like. 
Is the default wallpaper the result of a vote,
or only alternatives to 
the default?

f32-backgrounds

[Benson Muite]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 5:56 AM, Paul Dufresne via devel wrote:
>  Le 20-04-17 à 09 h 09, Benson Muite a écrit :
>  > On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  > https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  > Please vote for ones that you like.
>  Is the default wallpaper the result of a vote, or only alternatives to 
>  the default? 
These are alternatives to the default which can be easily enabled. Information on enabling
a different wallpaper is at:
https://fedoramagazine.org/install-supplemental-wallpapers/

Schedule for Fedora 33 is at:
https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-33/f-33-design-tasks.html

Information on how the official wallpaper is produced can be found here:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Design#Fedora_Release_Wallpaper

[Roberto Ragusa]

On 2020-04-19 22:26, Peter Oliver wrote:
> > Well, I don't see how it makes sense to deliberately create a
> low-quality
> > image with no technical need (nor technical benefits such as size saving).
>  
>  I'd suggest it's for roughly the same reason that people still paint paintings
> when, nowadays, they could just take a photograph.  I don't pretend to know much about
> art, but that seems to be pretty intrinsic to how it works. 

The problem is when the artistic touch leads people to thinking their graphics drivers
are defective.

Showing to someone who has just installed a new system some color
dithering from 1990 is not a good idea. Absolutely not for a default choice.

(and this is also the kind of background that can really waste a lot of network traffic
when doing screen sharing)

Regards.

-- 
    Roberto Ragusa    mail at robertoragusa.it

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[Máirín Duffy]

>  On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  
>  I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the reasoning 
>  for stopping that.) 
That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was Fresnel.
E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the inspiration.

~m

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[James Cassell]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
>  > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  > 
>  > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning 
>  > for stopping that.)
>  
>  That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F 
>  was Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll 
>  fimd the inspiration.
>   
OMG, Secret Fedora Release Names!

Did not realize it was a thing. Very cool!

V/r,
James Cassell

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[Miro Hrončok]

On 20. 04. 20 18:46, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> >
> > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning
> > for stopping that.)
>  
>  That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was Fresnel.
> E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the inspiration.
Cool! Sorry for the misunderstanding.

-- 
Miro Hrončok
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[Brandon Nielsen]

On 4/20/20 11:54 AM, James Cassell wrote:
>  
>  On Mon, Apr 20, 2020, at 12:46 PM, Máirín Duffy wrote:
> >> On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> >> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
> >>
> >> I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning
> >> for stopping that.)
> >
> > That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F
> > was Fresnel. E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll
> > fimd the inspiration.
> >
>  
>  OMG, Secret Fedora Release Names!
>  
>  Did not realize it was a thing. Very cool!
>  
>  V/r,
>  James Cassell 
Huh, I didn't realize that either.

As for the original intent of this thread, I always loved the wallpaper 
from F15. I still have the SVG in my regular wallpaper rotation.

[Dan Book]

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 9:10 AM Benson Muite <benson_muite(a)emailplus.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020, at 4:02 PM, Leigh Scott wrote:
>  > > Hi Leigh,
>  > >
>  > >
>  > > Do you think you could please use nicer language? There's no need to
>  > > use words like that to describe other people's work in the community.
>  >
>  > That was the nicest term I could use to describe it!
>  >
>  > >
>  > > I personally quite like the 90s retro look.
>  > >
>
>  Hi Leigh,
>
>  Elections for alternative wallpapers are currently open:
>  https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/elections/
>  Please vote for ones that you like.
>
>  The submission phase for Fedora 32 has unfortunately already closed.
>  Please do make wallpaper submissions for Fedora 33 as well to ensure
>  there is a wide choice of excellent candidates.
>  
I think it's important to point out here that while the available
alternatives are great options, it does not change the desktop experience
presented to users who first install Fedora of whatever flavor. The only
thing that affects that is the choice of default for that spin, whether it
can be improved by a user who wants to customize their experience is
orthogonal.

-Dan

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[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 12:46 PM Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  >
>  > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning
>  > for stopping that.)
>
>  That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was Fresnel.
> E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the inspiration.
>  
Why don't we just use these for codenames?



-- 
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[Chris Murphy]

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 10:46 AM Máirín Duffy <duffy(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  >
>  > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
> reasoning
>  > for stopping that.)
>
>  That's not true, we didn't stop the pattern. F32 is G for Goffman. F was Fresnel.
> E was Elion. So on. If you dig through the tickets you'll fimd the inspiration.
Everyone's an art critic.

I spent some effort building a technical mindset, dispensing with
aesthetic, in my line of work in color management and color science.
"There is no such thing as bad colors" and "art isn't my thing, all I
care about is accuracy" and so on. And then I taught a masters level
class in photography at the School of Visual Arts - where I had to
become a critic, at a technical level. The class was 'color management
and printing'. I learned at least as much as I taught. One of the
early assignments, which I actually didn't figure out for the first
year, was to go look at art. Why are the successes considered
successful? Yeah you can read about that to some degree, but you
really have to look at it, and mimic it. You only really understand by
trying to replicate those successes. And you pretty much have to do
what others have done before you, because they're that successful and
basic, and then you can innovate and incorporate your own style.

I'm no art history amateur let alone expert, so I don't know all the
reasons why it's familiar. But I see the intentional use of different
kinds of dithering as art. These techniques have a long history in
both analog and digital image reproduction. I see the traditional AM
halftoning from various print forms, found in newspapers, magazines,
comic books, packaging, and it exists for its tolerance to the
mechanical limitations of those processes. The apparent stochastic (FM
screening) also leverages noise as the dithering approach, resulting
in the "crushed glass" kind of look, especially in the dark to light
gradients. I think it's a successful blending of these class dithering
techniques that you don't find on pixel displays. But to good effect,
in particular on crap low bit depth panels where smooth gradients of
short distance readily will show posterization where none exists in
the digital file. The noise masks the limitations of the panel. That's
the whole point of dithering. I think it's fantastic.

I have the benefit of looking at the background on a crap laptop
display as well as a rather nice NEC self-calibrating display suitable
for medical imaging. And this background looks good to me on both
displays. That's non-trivial to achieve, there are always compromises.
It's not really possible to make smooth gradients of short distances
on low end panels, of course some noise is necessary.

The negatives come from people used to a particular aesthetic, and
just don't realize what they're looking at. And 20 years ago I'd put
myself into that category. Maybe the F32 background art is too
sophisticated. But then I immediately have to refuse that premise
because I think Fedora deserves the sophisticated, and that it's
better to just consider the negative comments innocently ignorant.
Folks just don't know what they're looking at.

Anyway, I'm totally guessing. I have no actual insight to the
development process of the F32 default background. It'd be interesting
to read about the inspiration, process, and iterations involved in
combining the aesthetic and the technical. I think people would be
surprised to discover the things they don't like about it are perhaps
more tied to technical decisions that were then taken advantage of by
the chosen aesthetic.

Also, classic art: evoking an emotional response in the viewer. :-D In
this sense, the art is perhaps one of Fedora's most successful!


-- 
Chris Murphy

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[Mohan Boddu]

My personal favorite is Fedora 26

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26

I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
reflection it on the lake is just *serene*.

On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I wonder if
we
> > could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are some of
> > my favorite ones:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
> >
> > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was outstanding. Can we
> > do more of those, please?
>
> I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.
>
> "As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the alphabet and
> come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to serve as
> an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"
>
> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>
> I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
reasoning
> for stopping that.)
>
> (I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in what
was
> in there.)
>
> --
> Miro Hrončok
> --
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[Miro Hrončok]

On 22. 04. 20 16:40, Mohan Boddu wrote:
>  My personal favorite is Fedora 26
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26
>  
>  I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
>  reflection it on the lake is just*serene*. 
I love that one, especially the "hidden gem": it is a visual representation of 
the sound of saying "Fedora".

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[Leigh Griffin]

On Wed, Apr 22, 2020 at 3:41 PM Mohan Boddu <mboddu(a)bhujji.com&gt; wrote:

>  My personal favorite is Fedora 26
>
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26
>
>  I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
>  reflection it on the lake is just *serene*.
>  
Great share on this, adding that to my wallpaper list and some of the other
nice ones shared, great trips down memory lane!

>  On Fri, Apr 17, 2020 at 5:44 PM Miro Hrončok <mhroncok(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  > On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I
>  wonder if we
>  > > could go back to more artistic images from previous releases? Here are
>  some of
>  > > my favorite ones:
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
>  > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
>  > >
>  > > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was
>  outstanding. Can we
>  > > do more of those, please?
>  >
>  > I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.
>  >
>  > "As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the
>  alphabet and
>  > come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / technologists to
>  serve as
>  > an inspiration for the desktop background’s visual concept"
>  >
>  >
>  https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  >
>  > I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the
>  reasoning
>  > for stopping that.)
>  >
>  > (I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in
>  what was
>  > in there.)
>  >
>  > --
>  > Miro Hrončok
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[Kevin Kofler]

Chris Murphy wrote:
>  I have the benefit of looking at the background on a crap laptop
>  display as well as a rather nice NEC self-calibrating display suitable
>  for medical imaging. And this background looks good to me on both
>  displays. That's non-trivial to achieve, there are always compromises.
>  It's not really possible to make smooth gradients of short distances
>  on low end panels, of course some noise is necessary. 
So in short, you are saying that this artwork is great because it looks good 
on some 16-color or 256-color display, which it achieves by looking like a 
256-color display on ALL displays? Seriously?

        Kevin Kofler

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[Kevin Kofler]

Mohan Boddu wrote:
>  My personal favorite is Fedora 26
>  
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_26
>  
>  I am not an artist, but the silhouette of the calming woods with the
>  reflection it on the lake is just *serene*. 
I think that one is artistically beautiful, but the deep winter feeling that 
it gives is depressing.

        Kevin Kofler

[David Va]

That something ugly comes by default or bad integrated is not the end of the world, but is
bad... I don't use things that come by default. Can we copy something minimal from the
KDE Store?

https://store.kde.org/s/KDE%20Store/browse/cat/299/order/latest/

[José Abílio Matos]

On Friday, 17 April 2020 19.05.40 WEST Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  I really do not see how you could construct this reply from
> Michael's.
>  He clearly starts with IMO and the rest of is the expression of his opinion,
>  he never calls anyone anything.
>  
>  I'm confused here.
>  
>  Pierre 
I left this with no answer on purpose. I did not wanted to add further noise to this
thread. 
I did not like the wallpaper initially but I do not subscribe to the title of the thread.

FWIW I think that Michael's answer was thoughtful and interesting to read.
By decomposing the reasons into the different layers I have associated the subject to 
deconstructionism.

At the same time there was a clear divide in the different opinions (likes or dislikes) 
regarding the different backgrounds: some more abstract like the F32 while others take an

approach based on realism/naturalism or even other that follow modernism.

At the same time I also liked to hear some of reasoning behind the reasons for the 
wallpaper. IMHO it is shame that at least a short abstract it is not available here.

On the other hand one of reasons the reactions were in two very different fields, there
was 
one more involved that defended the decision to go with this wallpaper based on a series 
of rational arguments. In the other field there was a more instinctive reaction of
dislike.

That was the reason of my failed attempt to light the situation by referring to: 

"""
Abstract art can also make people uneasy because they don't automatically know what
the 
art is "about" just by a cursory glance. Or they assume that because it
doesn't look like 
anything, then it is not "about" anything.
"""
https://www.art-is-fun.com/understanding-abstract-art[1] 

I seems that I failed to convey that in the previous message. It was my fault. :-)
-- 
José Abílio

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[1] https://www.art-is-fun.com/understanding-abstract-art

[Adam Williamson]

On Mon, 2020-04-27 at 17:52 +0100, José Abílio Matos wrote:
>  At the same time I also liked to hear some of reasoning behind the
> reasons for the 
>  wallpaper. IMHO it is shame that at least a short abstract it is not available here.
https://pagure.io/design/issue/669
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[Jeremy Linton]

Hi,

On 4/17/20 4:43 PM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  On 17. 04. 20 16:07, Kamil Paral wrote:
> > I'm disappointed with default wallpapers in the latest releases. I 
> > wonder if we could go back to more artistic images from previous 
> > releases? Here are some of my favorite ones:
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_29
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_27
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_21
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_16
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_15
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_11
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Wallpapers#Fedora_7
> >
> > Especially the one in Fedora 15 (GNOME edition) and 16 was 
> > outstanding. Can we do more of those, please?
>  
>  I love both the design and concept of the F25-F28 wallpapers.
>  
>  "As of the past 3 releases, we choose a sequential letter of the 
>  alphabet and come up with a list of scientists / mathematicians / 
>  technologists to serve as an inspiration for the desktop background’s 
>  visual concept"
>  
>  https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2018/03/06/fedora-28s-desktop-background-design/
>  
>  I am sad we haven't followed the pattern. (However I don't know the 
>  reasoning for stopping that.)
>  
>  (I've changed the subject line, because I don't want to participate in 
>  what was in there.)
>   
(agree)

IMHO, A desktop background serves a different purpose than a login/lock 
screen. A desktop background shouldn't be distracting, high contrast, or 
busy. Making beautiful art with those restrictions is quite difficult. 
The fedora backgrounds tend to grow on me over time, but I also tend to 
immediately just set my desktop background to straight black, with a 
dark theme (breeze dark variation) and reserve the fedora art for the 
screen lock.

The login/lock screen, should be looking for maximum impact. Its after 
all what people see as they walk by a fedora machine. In that regard 
something like the F7 image really wins.

So maybe this is a case of trying to answer to conflicting requirements. 
Maximum art, high contrast login screen, more soothing muted desktop 
backgrounds.


Anyway, i'm going to spread some love to another distro in this thread 
too. The Opensuse 12.3 theme/background was one of the few times I've 
left the default background on for any length of time. They seemed to 
have pulled off just the right amount of mostly non distracting 
background, yet somehow managed to still achieve that minimalist beauty 
everyone seems to be in search of these days. Its all gray tones, with a 
single green vine/logo. It fit with the theme in a way that made me 
think, now this is what a linux desktop should look and behave like.

https://news-cdn.softpedia.com/images/news2/openSUSE-12-3-Is-Approaching-...