fedora-package purpose and future

[Vít Ondruch]

Hi,

I am wondering what is the purpose of fedora-packager package and what
is its future? It seems to be abandoned upstream as well as in Fedora
[1, 2, 3, 4]. This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
every Fedora packager has to have installed. Is there a chance to give
that package a bit of love? At minimum remove all the not working
scripts and drop all the unneeded dependencies, make the others just
optional.

Thx


Vít



[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1530703

[2] https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/fedora-packager/pull-request/2

[3] https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedoradev-pkgowners

[4] https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedora-hosted.py

[Rex Dieter]

Vít Ondruch wrote:

>  This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
>  every Fedora packager has to have installed 
I don't think that's true, can you explain?

-- rex

[Ben Rosser]

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  Vít Ondruch wrote:
>
> > This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> > every Fedora packager has to have installed
>
>  I don't think that's true, can you explain?
>
>  -- rex 
Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work".

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#In...

So I would guess that many packagers have followed this advice and
have it installed on their systems. I certainly do.

Ben Rosser

[Alain Vigne]

On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 9:15 PM Ben Rosser <rosser.bjr(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:

>  On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter
> <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  > Vít Ondruch wrote:
>  >
>  >> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
>  >> every Fedora packager has to have installed
>  >
>  > I don't think that's true, can you explain?
>  >
>  > -- rex
>
>  Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
>  explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
>  will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work".
>
>
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Join_the_package_collection_maintainers#In...
>
>  So I would guess that many packagers have followed this advice and
>  have it installed on their systems. I certainly do.
>  
+1

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[Rex Dieter]

Ben Rosser wrote:

>  On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter
> <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> > Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >
> >> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >
> > I don't think that's true, can you explain? 
>  Well, the "join the package collection maintainers"
> document
>  explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
>  will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work". 
Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened "fedora-package", which 
didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed.

-- rex

fedora-packager purpose and future

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 4.9.2018 v 21:46 Rex Dieter napsal(a):
>  Ben Rosser wrote:
>
> > On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> >> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>
> >>> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >>> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >> I don't think that's true, can you explain?
> > Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
> > explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
> > will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work".
>  Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened "fedora-package", which 
>  didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed. 
Sorry for the typo and confusion. I was speaking about fedora-packager
indeed.

And people need it not just because the "join ..." page suggests that,
but there appears to be circular dependency between fedpkg and
fedora-packager, presumably because fedora-pacakger ships some
configuration files for koji, etc.

I think that the idea behind this package was to have everything
possibly needed by Fedora packager installed by single package. But when
it is not maintained, then it somehow looses its point.


V.

fedora-packager purpose and future

[Miro Hrončok]

On 05. 09. 18 9:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>  
>  
>  Dne 4.9.2018 v 21:46 Rex Dieter napsal(a):
> > Ben Rosser wrote:
> >
> >> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
> >>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >>>> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >>> I don't think that's true, can you explain?
> >> Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
> >> explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
> >> will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work".
> > Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened "fedora-package", which
> > didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed.
>  
>  Sorry for the typo and confusion. I was speaking about fedora-packager
>  indeed.
>  
>  And people need it not just because the "join ..." page suggests that,
>  but there appears to be circular dependency between fedpkg and
>  fedora-packager, presumably because fedora-pacakger ships some
>  configuration files for koji, etc.
>  
>  I think that the idea behind this package was to have everything
>  possibly needed by Fedora packager installed by single package. But when
>  it is not maintained, then it somehow looses its point. 
I'd like to revisit this discussion.

Can we get rid of that package or make it maintained again?


-- 
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fedora-packager purpose and future

[Kevin Fenzi]

On 11/7/18 9:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
>  On 05. 09. 18 9:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >
> >
> > Dne 4.9.2018 v 21:46 Rex Dieter napsal(a):
> >> Ben Rosser wrote:
> >>
> >>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;
> >>> wrote:
> >>>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >>>>> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >>>> I don't think that's true, can you explain?
> >>> Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
> >>> explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
> >>> will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging work".
> >> Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened "fedora-package",
> >> which
> >> didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed.
> >
> > Sorry for the typo and confusion. I was speaking about fedora-packager
> > indeed.
> >
> > And people need it not just because the "join ..." page suggests that,
> > but there appears to be circular dependency between fedpkg and
> > fedora-packager, presumably because fedora-pacakger ships some
> > configuration files for koji, etc.
> >
> > I think that the idea behind this package was to have everything
> > possibly needed by Fedora packager installed by single package. But when
> > it is not maintained, then it somehow looses its point.
>  
>  I'd like to revisit this discussion.
>  
>  Can we get rid of that package or make it maintained again? 
As far as I can tell it is maintained. After that last thread I talked
with the maintainers and they merged / answered all ourstanding PR's as
far as I know.

If there's more to do, PR's welcome I am sure.

kevin

fedora-packager purpose and future

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 08. 11. 18 v 1:57 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a):
>  On 11/7/18 9:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> > On 05. 09. 18 9:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>
> >> Dne 4.9.2018 v 21:46 Rex Dieter napsal(a):
> >>> Ben Rosser wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;
> >>>> wrote:
> >>>>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >>>>>> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >>>>> I don't think that's true, can you explain?
> >>>> Well, the "join the package collection maintainers" document
> >>>> explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because it
> >>>> will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging
> work".
> >>> Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened
> "fedora-package",
> >>> which
> >>> didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed.
> >> Sorry for the typo and confusion. I was speaking about fedora-packager
> >> indeed.
> >>
> >> And people need it not just because the "join ..." page suggests that,
> >> but there appears to be circular dependency between fedpkg and
> >> fedora-packager, presumably because fedora-pacakger ships some
> >> configuration files for koji, etc.
> >>
> >> I think that the idea behind this package was to have everything
> >> possibly needed by Fedora packager installed by single package. But when
> >> it is not maintained, then it somehow looses its point.
> > I'd like to revisit this discussion.
> >
> > Can we get rid of that package or make it maintained again?
>  As far as I can tell it is maintained. After that last thread I talked
>  with the maintainers and they merged / answered all ourstanding PR's as
>  far as I know.
>
>  If there's more to do, PR's welcome I am sure. 

So what about opened tickets in upstream? If it was maintained, there
would be non or at least there would not be opened tickets such as [1].
Click on "merge" button once somebody loudly complains is not
maintenance IMO.


V.



[1] https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/issue/138


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fedora-packager purpose and future

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 08. 11. 18 v 10:03 Vít Ondruch napsal(a):
>  Dne 08. 11. 18 v 1:57 Kevin Fenzi napsal(a):
> > On 11/7/18 9:22 AM, Miro Hrončok wrote:
> >> On 05. 09. 18 9:38, Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>> Dne 4.9.2018 v 21:46 Rex Dieter napsal(a):
> >>>> Ben Rosser wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>> On Tue, Sep 4, 2018 at 2:59 PM, Rex Dieter
> <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;
> >>>>> wrote:
> >>>>>> Vít Ondruch wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>> This is a bit unfortunate considering this is package
> >>>>>>> every Fedora packager has to have installed
> >>>>>> I don't think that's true, can you explain?
> >>>>> Well, the "join the package collection maintainers"
> document
> >>>>> explicitly tells new packagers to install fedora-packager, because
> it
> >>>>> will "bring in everything necessary for general packaging
> work".
> >>>> Sorry, I was going off the $SUBJECT that referened
> "fedora-package",
> >>>> which
> >>>> didn't exist as far as I could tell.  *fedora-packager*, yes indeed.
> >>> Sorry for the typo and confusion. I was speaking about fedora-packager
> >>> indeed.
> >>>
> >>> And people need it not just because the "join ..." page suggests
> that,
> >>> but there appears to be circular dependency between fedpkg and
> >>> fedora-packager, presumably because fedora-pacakger ships some
> >>> configuration files for koji, etc.
> >>>
> >>> I think that the idea behind this package was to have everything
> >>> possibly needed by Fedora packager installed by single package. But when
> >>> it is not maintained, then it somehow looses its point.
> >> I'd like to revisit this discussion.
> >>
> >> Can we get rid of that package or make it maintained again?
> > As far as I can tell it is maintained. After that last thread I talked
> > with the maintainers and they merged / answered all ourstanding PR's as
> > far as I know.
> >
> > If there's more to do, PR's welcome I am sure.
>
>
>  So what about opened tickets in upstream? If it was maintained, there
>  would be non or at least there would not be opened tickets such as
>  [1]. Click on "merge" button once somebody loudly complains is not
>  maintenance IMO.
>  
Just browsing the upstream, these should be removed or updated:


https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/rpmbuild-md5

(What was is good for anyway??)

https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedoradev-pkgowners

https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/getPackages.sh

https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedora-qa

https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedora-hosted.py

https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/fedora-cert.py

(Not sure, but since kerberos, this is probably useless)


This is two thirds of the repository content. Again, I can't see how
this is maintained.


V.


>  V.
>
>
>
>  [1] https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/issue/138
>
>
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[Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski]

On Thursday, 08 November 2018 at 10:32, Vít Ondruch wrote:
[...]
>  Just browsing the upstream, these should be removed or updated:
>  
>  
>  https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/rpmbuild-md5
>  
>  (What was is good for anyway??) 
Building RPMs for RHEL5.

Regards,
Dominik
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fedora-packager purpose and future

[Mohan Boddu]

Hi,

There was some communication gap and I didn't pay much attention to that
package.

I am very much interested in maintaining the package going forward.

Sorry for the confusion that I have caused. Please create the PR's if
anything is needed,
and I will take care of it.

I will also go ahead and clear up some clutter asap.

Thanks.

On Thu, Nov 8, 2018 at 5:30 AM Dominik 'Rathann' Mierzejewski <
dominik(a)greysector.net&gt; wrote:

>  On Thursday, 08 November 2018 at 10:32, Vít Ondruch wrote:
>  [...]
>  > Just browsing the upstream, these should be removed or updated:
>  >
>  >
>  > https://pagure.io/fedora-packager/blob/master/f/src/rpmbuild-md5
>  >
>  > (What was is good for anyway??)
>
>  Building RPMs for RHEL5.
>
>  Regards,
>  Dominik
>  --
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>  oppression to develop psychic muscles.
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