HAL 0.1 available

[Havoc Pennington]

Hi,

I haven't looked at this implementation yet, but I've been cheerleading
the idea.

Havoc

[David Zeuthen]

On Mon, 2003-09-29 at 02:33, Havoc Pennington wrote:
> Hi,
>
> I haven't looked at this implementation yet, but I've been cheerleading
> the idea.

Hi,

I'm the author of the HAL stuff, and at some point (around hal-0.2 or
later, when things stabilize), I'd probably take my chances, package it
up and ask for inclusion of in fedora extras.

Now, HAL right now depends on d-bus, python and will depend on a late
version of hotplug. And it will work somewhat better with 2.6 kernel. So
two questions come to mind:

1. I see that hotplug-2002_04_01 is current in fedora core; are
    there any reasons that later packages e.g. hotplug-2003_08_05 +
    hotplug-base-2003_08_05 isn't shipped?

2. Will there be a 2.6 kernel in extras anytime soon? (Late version of
    hotplug is required to handle new kernel events, e.g. scsi)

Regards,
David

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The horror... the horror!

[Bill Nottingham]

David Zeuthen ([e-mail]) said:
> I see that hotplug-2002_04_01 is current in fedora core; are
> there any reasons that later packages e.g. hotplug-2003_08_05 +
> hotplug-base-2003_08_05 isn't shipped?

Not enough round tuits.
> Will there be a 2.6 kernel in extras anytime soon? (Late version of
> hotplug is required to handle new kernel events, e.g. scsi)

There's Arjan's kernel at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/

Bill

[Greg KH]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 08:32:15PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> David Zeuthen ([e-mail]) said:
> > I see that hotplug-2002_04_01 is current in fedora core; are
> > there any reasons that later packages e.g. hotplug-2003_08_05 +
> > hotplug-base-2003_08_05 isn't shipped?
>
> Not enough round tuits.

Is there anything I can do as the person who releases the hotplug
packages?

I notice that Red Hat does tweak the way the hotplug package starts up
(as part of the rc.sysinit script) and doesn't use the
/etc/init.d/hotplug service script.  Any big reason why?  Anything I can
do to the main package to help Red Hat out?  I know we've made changes
to help Debian out :)
> > Will there be a 2.6 kernel in extras anytime soon? (Late version of
> > hotplug is required to handle new kernel events, e.g. scsi)
>
> There's Arjan's kernel at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/

The initscripts complain in a few places with a 2.6 kernel (no
/proc/bus/usb/drivers for example).  Care for me to send patches for
this against the latest cvs tree?

thanks,

greg k-h

[Bill Nottingham]

Greg KH ([e-mail]) said:
> > > I see that hotplug-2002_04_01 is current in fedora core; are
> > > there any reasons that later packages e.g. hotplug-2003_08_05 +
> > > hotplug-base-2003_08_05 isn't shipped?
> >
> > Not enough round tuits.
>
> Is there anything I can do as the person who releases the hotplug
> packages?

Give me more hours in a day. :)
> I notice that Red Hat does tweak the way the hotplug package starts up
> (as part of the rc.sysinit script) and doesn't use the
> /etc/init.d/hotplug service script.  Any big reason why?

As I recall...

a) we didn't do anything with PCI events
b) halfway through the runlevel is way too late to start USB
> Anything I can
> do to the main package to help Red Hat out?  I know we've made changes
> to help Debian out :)

Honestly, I'm of the opinion that usb host controllers, HID layer,
and the HID keyboard driver should be built into the kernel and
not managed that way by hotplug at all. That's sort of unrelated
to the hotplug scripts themselves, though.
> > > Will there be a 2.6 kernel in extras anytime soon? (Late version of
> > > hotplug is required to handle new kernel events, e.g. scsi)
> >
> > There's Arjan's kernel at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/
>
> The initscripts complain in a few places with a 2.6 kernel (no
> /proc/bus/usb/drivers for example).  Care for me to send patches for
> this against the latest cvs tree?

Sure, just make sure they don't break booting 2.4 as well. :)

Some of it will probably be handled for this release by backwards
compat aliases in modutils.

Bill

[Greg KH]

On Mon, Sep 29, 2003 at 10:42:30PM -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
> Honestly, I'm of the opinion that usb host controllers, HID layer,
> and the HID keyboard driver should be built into the kernel and
> not managed that way by hotplug at all. That's sort of unrelated
> to the hotplug scripts themselves, though.

Go bug your kernel packagers :)
> > > > Will there be a 2.6 kernel in extras anytime soon? (Late version of
> > > > hotplug is required to handle new kernel events, e.g. scsi)
> > >
> > > There's Arjan's kernel at http://people.redhat.com/arjanv/
> >
> > The initscripts complain in a few places with a 2.6 kernel (no
> > /proc/bus/usb/drivers for example).  Care for me to send patches for
> > this against the latest cvs tree?
>
> Sure, just make sure they don't break booting 2.4 as well. :)

Ok, I'll go test my changes on a 2.4 kernel (haven't booted one of them
in a long time...)

thanks,

greg k-h