Is that the place for user feedback?

[Jean Francois Martinez]

Hello

I have several issues wth Fedora 20.  Not bugs but shortcomings in the installer or
packages who _must_ be in the DVD or default installations and aren't.
Is that the place for submitting them?   

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JF Martinez

[Jan Zelený]

On 2. 1. 2014 at 13:14:41, jfm512(a)free.fr wrote:
>  Hello
>  
>  I have several issues wth Fedora 20.  Not bugs but shortcomings in the
>  installer or packages who _must_ be in the DVD or default installations and
>  aren't. Is that the place for submitting them? 
I'd recommend you bugzilla as the best place for that (the "distribution" 
component), discussion here also makes sense if you want to propose some 
bigger changes. However note that we are in no position to change what's in 
the default installation right now. The Fedora images are composed and Fedora 
20 is out the door so any changes you propose might go to Fedora 21 at best.

Thanks
Jan

[Jean Francois Martinez]

I should have made clear it is for Fedora 21. AS I saisd it is not about bugs but about
design flaws so I am not sure bugzilla is an adequate channel. 


----- Mail original -----
De: "Jan Zelený" <jzeleny(a)redhat.com&gt;
À: devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
Cc: jfm512(a)free.fr
Envoyé: Jeudi 2 Janvier 2014 14:50:47
Objet: Re: Is that the place for user feedback?

On 2. 1. 2014 at 13:14:41, jfm512(a)free.fr wrote:
>  Hello
>  
>  I have several issues wth Fedora 20.  Not bugs but shortcomings in the
>  installer or packages who _must_ be in the DVD or default installations and
>  aren't. Is that the place for submitting them? 
I'd recommend you bugzilla as the best place for that (the "distribution" 
component), discussion here also makes sense if you want to propose some 
bigger changes. However note that we are in no position to change what's in 
the default installation right now. The Fedora images are composed and Fedora 
20 is out the door so any changes you propose might go to Fedora 21 at best.

Thanks
Jan

[Jan Zelený]

On 2. 1. 2014 at 16:59:09, jfm512(a)free.fr wrote:
>  I should have made clear it is for Fedora 21. AS I saisd it is not
> about
>  bugs but about design flaws so I am not sure bugzilla is an adequate
>  channel.
>  
>  
>  ----- Mail original -----
>  De: "Jan Zelený" <jzeleny(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  À: devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org
>  Cc: jfm512(a)free.fr
>  Envoyé: Jeudi 2 Janvier 2014 14:50:47
>  Objet: Re: Is that the place for user feedback?
>  
>  On 2. 1. 2014 at 13:14:41, jfm512(a)free.fr wrote:
>  > Hello
>  > 
>  > I have several issues wth Fedora 20.  Not bugs but shortcomings in the
>  > installer or packages who _must_ be in the DVD or default installations
>  > and
>  > aren't. Is that the place for submitting them?
>  
>  I'd recommend you bugzilla as the best place for that (the "distribution"
>  component), discussion here also makes sense if you want to propose some
>  bigger changes. However note that we are in no position to change what's in
>  the default installation right now. The Fedora images are composed and
>  Fedora 20 is out the door so any changes you propose might go to Fedora 21
>  at best. 
The distributions component in bugzilla covers stuff like default installation 
and composes so as I said - the stuff should probably end up there but for 
bigger changes it's perfectly ok to discuss them here first.

Jan

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, Jan 02, 2014 at 01:14:41PM +0100, jfm512(a)free.fr wrote:
>  I have several issues wth Fedora 20.  Not bugs but shortcomings in
> the
>  installer or packages who _must_ be in the DVD or default installations
>  and aren't. Is that the place for submitting them? 
Or, maybe discuss what you want here on this list, and why you feel certain
things are shortcomings or "musts". There certainly _are_ shortcomings, but
some of them are the result of tradeoff design decisions that don't have an
easy answer. And what "must" be on the DVD is even more subjective. User
feedback is great, but this is a community-developed distribution and filing
a bug stating that things ought to be a certain way is unlikely to get
results.

-- 
Matthew Miller  --  Fedora Project Architect --  <mattdm(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;

[Kevin Kofler]

Matthew Miller wrote:
>  Or, maybe discuss what you want here on this list, and why you feel
>  certain things are shortcomings or "musts". There certainly _are_
>  shortcomings, but some of them are the result of tradeoff design decisions
>  that don't have an easy answer. And what "must" be on the DVD is even more
>  subjective. User feedback is great, but this is a community-developed
>  distribution and filing a bug stating that things ought to be a certain
>  way is unlikely to get results. 
Add to that that some things our users think "MUST" be on the DVD actually 
CANNOT be on it:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items

(As a general rule, if you have to download the software from anywhere other 
than Fedora repositories, it probably cannot be in Fedora and thus on Fedora 
media. Especially if it's something too important to simply not have been 
packaged yet.)

        Kevin Kofler