Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
On 06/05/2009 01:23 PM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
My experience with scanning in Fedora is so awful that I dropped any expectation: I have an old HP ScanJet 5370C, for which according with sane-project.org the support is "Good" (avision backend). For me the best was around F9, when it worked 50% of the time: a scan operation produced garbage, the next one was usable, the next one garbage and so on. I always had to scan twice to get something acceptable.
F8 and earlier it produced garbage most of the time and in F10 the application just got frozen, doing nothing and I had to kill it.
Now F11 is a new low: when pressing the scan or preview buttons from either xsane-gimp or gnomescan the result is X crashing and me seeing the GDM screen.
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 14:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Now F11 is a new low: when pressing the scan or preview buttons from either xsane-gimp or gnomescan the result is X crashing and me seeing the GDM screen.
X crashing does not sound like something related to scanning in particular; but it is certainly a bug worth filing, especially if it is easily reproducible.
On 06/05/2009 04:14 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 14:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Now F11 is a new low: when pressing the scan or preview buttons from either xsane-gimp or gnomescan the result is X crashing and me seeing the GDM screen.
X crashing does not sound like something related to scanning in particular; but it is certainly a bug worth filing, especially if it is easily reproducible.
I was not sure on which component should it be reported to, X, sane-backends/fronteds, gnomescan, xsane.
It crashes every time when I am trying to scan with a GUI, the only way to do somehing without a crash is using scanimage from commandline, which is aborting with "scanimage: received signal 15".
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:32:12PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:14 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
X crashing does not sound like something related to scanning in particular; but it is certainly a bug worth filing, especially if it is easily reproducible.
I was not sure on which component should it be reported to, X, sane-backends/fronteds, gnomescan, xsane.
If a program crashes, there's a bug in that program. There may also be a bug in whatever's triggering the crash, but that's a separate issue. FWIW I've had no trouble using xsane in F11.
On 06/05/2009 04:47 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 04:32:12PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:14 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
X crashing does not sound like something related to scanning in particular; but it is certainly a bug worth filing, especially if it is easily reproducible.
I was not sure on which component should it be reported to, X, sane-backends/fronteds, gnomescan, xsane.
If a program crashes, there's a bug in that program. There may also be a bug in whatever's triggering the crash, but that's a separate issue.
So I should fill a but for both Xsane, GnomeScan and X.org?
FWIW I've had no trouble using xsane in F11.
Different hardware, different sane backends.
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:01:58PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:47 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
If a program crashes, there's a bug in that program. There may also be a bug in whatever's triggering the crash, but that's a separate issue.
So I should fill a but for both Xsane, GnomeScan and X.org?
Against X.org first. Finding out why it's crashing would give insight into where the root cause is.
FWIW I've had no trouble using xsane in F11.
Different hardware, different sane backends.
Almost certainly. But it's a far cry from "Scanning is broken in Fedora".
On 06/05/2009 05:11 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 05:01:58PM +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:47 PM, Matthew Garrett wrote:
If a program crashes, there's a bug in that program. There may also be a bug in whatever's triggering the crash, but that's a separate issue.
So I should fill a but for both Xsane, GnomeScan and X.org?
Against X.org first. Finding out why it's crashing would give insight into where the root cause is.
OK
FWIW I've had no trouble using xsane in F11.
Different hardware, different sane backends.
Almost certainly. But it's a far cry from "Scanning is broken in Fedora".
I prefixed it with "for me", i know it works for some people.
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:54 -0500, Michael Cronenworth wrote:
Nicu Buculei wrote:
I prefixed it with "for me", i know it works for some people.
You might try compiling SANE 1.0.20. There were tons of changes in-between 1.0.19 and 1.0.20. I don't see a F11 or F12 build for 1.0.20 in koji... you might want to file a bug on it.
There's already a bug about it ;-). I'm working on official 1.0.20 packages, unfortunately there are already too many patches in there which make this not quite straight forward as it sounds. Thankfully, I'll soon be able to devote more time to OS things than in the past.
Frontend-wise I'm rather missing tools for sensible batch-processing (we've about 2000 slides that are waiting to be digitized) than something "simple" like gnome-scan, but IMO most real problems are on the backend side anyway.
Nils
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 16:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
On 06/05/2009 04:14 PM, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 14:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
Now F11 is a new low: when pressing the scan or preview buttons from either xsane-gimp or gnomescan the result is X crashing and me seeing the GDM screen.
X crashing does not sound like something related to scanning in particular; but it is certainly a bug worth filing, especially if it is easily reproducible.
I was not sure on which component should it be reported to, X, sane-backends/fronteds, gnomescan, xsane.
It crashes every time when I am trying to scan with a GUI, the only way to do somehing without a crash is using scanimage from commandline, which is aborting with "scanimage: received signal 15".
Before reporting, you might want to try the command line scanner tool scanimage: scanimage --format=tiff --reslution=300 > scan.tiff and see what happens. That should help you understand if the issue is with sane-backends or elsewhere. The -L and -T options will be usefull too.
You may also want to try the new 1.0.20 release as that fixes quite a few bugs. There is a feature request for it, but compiling it yourself is not that hard if you first do a rpm rebuild on the old rpm package so it pulls in required dependencies Use the following script to run configure:
#!/bin/bash set -x arch=`uname -m` case $arch in x86_64) lib=/usr/lib64 ;; *) lib=/usr/lib esac echo "lib =" $lib make distclean BACKENDS="pixma niash" ./configure \ --prefix=/usr \ --libdir=$lib \ --sysconfdir=/etc \ --with-gphoto2=/usr \ --with-docdir=/usr/doc/sane-1.1.0
best regards, Louis
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On 06/05/2009 10:05 PM, Louis Lagendijk wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 16:32 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
It crashes every time when I am trying to scan with a GUI, the only way to do somehing without a crash is using scanimage from commandline, which is aborting with "scanimage: received signal 15".
Before reporting, you might want to try the command line scanner tool scanimage: scanimage --format=tiff --reslution=300> scan.tiff and see what happens. That should help you understand if the issue is with sane-backends or elsewhere. The -L and -T options will be usefull too.
As said above:
[Desktop]$ scanimage --format=tiff --resolution=300 > scan.tiff scanimage: received signal 15 scanimage: trying to stop scanner scanimage: received signal 15 scanimage: aborting
[Desktop]$ scanimage -T scanimage: received signal 15 scanimage: trying to stop scanner scanimage: received signal 15 scanimage: aborting
[Desktop]$ scanimage -L device `avision:libusb:003:003' is a Hewlett-Packard ScanJet 5370C flatbed scanner
It is somewhat better: at least X is not crashing this way.
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 14:04 +0300, Nicu Buculei wrote:
I have an old HP ScanJet 5370C, for which according with sane-project.org the support is "Good" (avision backend). For me the best was around F9, when it worked 50% of the time
Unfortunately SANE support for the 5370C isn't universally "Good" - I asked for the compatibility chart to be updated a year or so ago but I guess that wasn't fixed.
There are several hardware revisions sold under the 5370C model number; some may still work, others definitely didn't the last time I tried. We had one with a C5 ASIC, though it sounds like you've had more luck getting any useful functionality out of yours, so I guess you may have a different revision.
I spent quite some time trying to track down the problem, but upstream wasn't able to be particularly helpful. The sane-avision mailing list isn't archived, which doesn't help.
(also: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=206094 )
cheers,
Kevin
Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
Am Interested
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Not sure if have the necessary skills yet. If I got some mentoring, would be up for it.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
Brand X Scanner (PCline?)
FRank
On 06/05/2009 06:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
On 06/05/2009 06:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box
^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ Same here.
Paul
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 08:56:47AM -0400, Tom spot Callaway wrote:
On 06/05/2009 06:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
I'm willing to help with testing. I have a Epson 4490, and Nikon Coolscan V slide scanner. The latter has been a trainwreck with sane for a long time, but I'm told its finally possible to use it. So if we have a nice GUI front end for scanning, i'll help out with testing.
Daniel, who has 'vuescan' as the only closed source software on his Fedora machine for which no practical open source replacement yet exists.
On Friday 05 June 2009 08:56:47 Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
On 06/05/2009 06:23 AM, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box
nb: I have two scanners up here as well that can be utilized, they're actually dual firewire/usb scanners that krh got when working on the firewire stack (and I inherited when I was working on it). Of course, last I knew, they both worked just fine using the gimp sane plugin, so they may not be all that interesting.
(One is an Epson somethingorother, one is a Microtek, both are reasonably nice scanners)
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 08:56 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box
I have a relatively new Canon Scanner, that has no current hope of working on Linux. Boy I'd love to see that changed.
Jesse Keating pisze:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 08:56 -0400, Tom "spot" Callaway wrote:
Perhaps we could target some specific scanners on the first attempt? We might be able to get some hardware donated to the effort.
~spot, who has several scanners of varying age and quality in a box
I have a relatively new Canon Scanner, that has no current hope of working on Linux. Boy I'd love to see that changed.
I have an old Plustek OpticPro ST24, which is supposed to be supported by the genesys backend in the future (the progress has been stalled for a few years).
Julian
I got a BenQ scanner
lsusb Bus 002 Device 002: ID 04a5:20f8 Acer Peripherals Inc. (now BenQ Corp.) Benq 5000
I have the firmware installed and set in snapscan backend conf, and it used to work in other distros
but scanning fails
scanimage -x 100 -y 100 --format=tiff >image.tiff [snapscan] Scanner warming up - waiting 30 seconds. scanimage: sane_start: Error during device I/O User defined signal 1
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:23 AM, Bastien Nocerabnocera@redhat.com wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
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I'd be very interested in helping with this, scanning is one of the most abhorrently performing niches in Linux that I've dealt with recently. $dayjob essentially grants me access to a plethora of high-end Fujitsu, Kodak, Bell & Howe, and Xerox scanners.
Bastien Nocera wrote:
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
I'll semi-hijack this thread to point out that the KDE 4 (extragear) scanning solution, Skanlite, should really go into Fedora. There was a review request, but it got closed because the submitter vanished.
Kevin Kofler
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 11:23 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
I have a scanner, but it's a rather well-behaved one (an HP ScanJet 2100C). As long as SANE is installed you don't really need to do anything to set it up - you can just run GIMP or xsane directly and get to scanning.
Looking at gnome-scan, I see the author is asking for help:
http://blogs.gnome.org/gnome-scan/
testing it out, it seems a bit odd - it certainly has a nicer interface than xsane's horribleness, but it seems a bit weird in places. It defaulted to a rather odd scanned image size for me, and the preview tab would only show that area of the page. I then switched to the 'Letter' size on the main tab, previewed again, and the preview seemed to come out right - but I couldn't then click and drag to resize the area to be scanned. I had to go back to the main tab, switch back to 'Manual', then go back to the preview tab before I could click and drag to resize - and if I then tried to refresh the preview, it didn't preview correctly again, it only previewed a tiny corner of the area and I couldn't click and drag the selection to make it any bigger.
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
On the packaging side of things, I would also be happy to help but it looks like we're not short of volunteers. What would be useful, I guess, is input from anyone who has a scanner that's a pain to set up, explaining what they have to do, so we could look into how we could ease that task.
I may do a quick build of gnome-scan 0.7.1 to see if it addresses my problems, though that's an unstable release we may not want to package officially.
The thought also occurs that this is an area that would be helped by one of my little hobby horses, the pony that I'd like to have which I call HardwareKit, which is just my name for a little widget/layer/whatever between udev/HAL/DeviceKit and PackageKit: it would allow the system to prompt you to install a given set of packages when it notes a certain piece or type of hardware being plugged in. So, in this case, if HAL/DeviceKit notices a scanner being plugged in, it could call out to PackageKit to install our scanning package group. That's something I've been wishing we had for a while now.
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like that in other default-installed components...
Matthias
Matthias Clasen (mclasen@redhat.com) said:
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like that in other default-installed components...
Not to go all Ubuntu on everyone, but we have a patch command. We should use it.
Bill
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:50:40PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like that in other default-installed components...
Why don't we patch it out then....
Daniel
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 17:56 +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
On Fri, Jun 05, 2009 at 12:50:40PM -0400, Matthias Clasen wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 09:35 -0700, Adam Williamson wrote:
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
IMO the obnoxious license dialog that xsane still subjects you to is sufficient reason already to replace it. We don't tolerate dialogs like that in other default-installed components...
Why don't we patch it out then....
Ok, lets try that: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=504344
On Fri, Jun 5, 2009 at 6:35 PM, Adam Williamsonawilliam@redhat.com wrote:
On Fri, 2009-06-05 at 11:23 +0100, Bastien Nocera wrote:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
I have a scanner, but it's a rather well-behaved one (an HP ScanJet 2100C). As long as SANE is installed you don't really need to do anything to set it up - you can just run GIMP or xsane directly and get to scanning.
Looking at gnome-scan, I see the author is asking for help:
http://blogs.gnome.org/gnome-scan/
testing it out, it seems a bit odd - it certainly has a nicer interface than xsane's horribleness, but it seems a bit weird in places. It defaulted to a rather odd scanned image size for me, and the preview tab would only show that area of the page. I then switched to the 'Letter' size on the main tab, previewed again, and the preview seemed to come out right - but I couldn't then click and drag to resize the area to be scanned. I had to go back to the main tab, switch back to 'Manual', then go back to the preview tab before I could click and drag to resize - and if I then tried to refresh the preview, it didn't preview correctly again, it only previewed a tiny corner of the area and I couldn't click and drag the selection to make it any bigger.
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
The thing that I did not like about gnome-scan is the interface. It resize the window without any reason so that the buttons do not fit on the screen (I have no idea why it does resize the window at all in this stage). I just went back to xsane but probably I should file a bug.
On Sat, 2009-06-06 at 12:34 +0200, drago01 wrote:
So I think the gnome-scan interface is nice but if my results are reproduced by others, we can't really replace xsane with it until it's a bit less buggy. It would be nice if any coders with scanning interest could contribute to the code I guess (I'm unfortunately not a coder).
The thing that I did not like about gnome-scan is the interface. It resize the window without any reason so that the buttons do not fit on the screen (I have no idea why it does resize the window at all in this stage). I just went back to xsane but probably I should file a bug.
I didn't see that, but its initial window size isn't very good for sure. It doesn't feel quite as polished as most GNOME apps.
Am Freitag, den 05.06.2009, 11:23 +0100 schrieb Bastien Nocera:
Heya,
Yesterday, I was browsing Ubuntu's "Blueprints" for their next release, and saw this: https://blueprints.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+spec/desktop-karmic-gnomescan
gnome-scan is already packaged by Deji, but I gather that more integration work could be done to make setting up and using scanners easier in GNOME and Fedora in general.
Any takers?
I think a good start would be making a list of problems seen in setting up scanners (additional packages required, tweaks), and make sure that gnome-scan and the necessary plugins are installed in a default installation.
Cheers
/Bastien, who doesn't own a scanner
I have an HP PSC1610 and it works perfectly with xsane and gimp.
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