Non-responsive maintainer ?

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

Hi,

Once in a while comes back the question: "is <insert nick here>
around ?"
Normally followed by: "I have opened and pinged him several time on
<bugzilla #/email/irc/insert what I missed here>".

And there the hunt for the last trace of activity starts. Some days ago
someone on the list was asking if there wasn't such a program that would
help identifying if someone has been active recently.

Well, I gave this a try.
http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-misc.git/tree/fedora_active_user.py
(download via git clone
http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-misc.git/ )

This checks for the last activity on
- FAS ➙ return the last time the user logged in on a Fedora web-app:
wiki, fas, bodhi  (requires FAS auth)
- koji ➙ last build...
- bugzilla ➙ this takes a while as it retrieves all the bugs on which
the given email is either CC or Assigned and then check them all to
return the date of the last comment by this user.
- bodhi ➙ well this is not done yet (and I expect we will have similar
results as before) but the patch which will allow it should make it to
the next release
- mailing lists ➙ For this I use gmane which allow to search for email
coming from an email address. I used a define set of mailing list, this
can of course be extended.

output:
./fedora_active_user.py --user pingou --email=pingou(a)pingoured.fr --nobz
Last login in FAS:
   FAS password for pingou: 
   pingou 2011-12-05 22:07:35.996974+00:00
Last action on koji:
   Fri Nov 11 14:35:20 2011 package list entry created:
python-straight-plugin in dist-f11 by pkgdb [still active]
Last action on Bodhi:
   Not yet implemented
Last email on mailing list:
   2011-12-03 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel
   2009-11-04 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork
   2011-08-10 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.epel.devel
   2011-10-13 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.extras.packaging
   2011-12-01 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.infrastructure

Hope this helps and feel free to give suggestions,
Pierre

[Matthias Runge]

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On 05/12/11 23:08, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Once in a while comes back the question: "is <insert nick here> 
>  around ?" Normally followed by: "I have opened and pinged him
>  several time on <bugzilla #/email/irc/insert what I missed here>".
>   
Great work! There was/is some tool around/mentioned some time doing
nearly the same. Is this yours? Did it someone else?

I would check some other mailing lists, too,e.g.
test(a)lists.fedoraproject.org, ....

Some people are hanging in irc, too. irc-nick is listed in fedora
account system. I would watch on channels #fedora, #fedora-devel and
maybe in #fedora-(lang), if country is listed in fas.

There is a vacation list in wiki https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation
which may be checked, too. Should vacation be moved to fas?

>  Hope this helps and feel free to give suggestions, Pierre 

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Matthias Runge <mrunge(a)matthias-runge.de&gt;
               <mrunge(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;
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[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:18 +0100, Matthias Runge wrote:
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>  On 05/12/11 23:08, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  > 
>  > Once in a while comes back the question: "is <insert nick here> 
>  > around ?" Normally followed by: "I have opened and pinged him
>  > several time on <bugzilla #/email/irc/insert what I missed here>".
>  > 
>  
>  Great work! There was/is some tool around/mentioned some time doing
>  nearly the same. Is this yours? Did it someone else? 
It was not me no, this is like a couple of days old, but the idea came
from this list (maybe from you, I don't remember who made this remark).


>  Some people are hanging in irc, too. irc-nick is listed in fedora
>  account system. I would watch on channels #fedora, #fedora-devel and
>  maybe in #fedora-(lang), if country is listed in fas. 
For this, I guess the nicest would be if I could query zodbot or
something, but to be honest I don't feel like coding in an irc client
just to ask zodbot ".seen <chan> <nick>".

>  There is a vacation list in wiki
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Vacation
>  which may be checked, too. Should vacation be moved to fas? 
Since one has to log in to edit this page this should be covered (more
or less) by the info of the last log in in FAS, but true this would give
an estimate time of return to life :-)
Sochotni had some ideas on how we may improve this Vacation system.

Thanks for the feedback,
Pierre

[Thomas Spura]

2011/12/5 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt;:
>  - koji ➙ last build... 
This doesn't seem to work correctly. My last build was 2 days ago:
http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/userinfo?userID=988

And the script says it was Nov 2...

Otherwise a great start :)

Thanks,
     Tom

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 11:07 +0100, Thomas Spura wrote:
>  
>  2011/12/5 Pierre-Yves Chibon <pingou(a)pingoured.fr&gt;:
>  > - koji ➙ last build...
>  
>  This doesn't seem to work correctly. My last build was 2 days ago:
>  http://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/userinfo?userID=988
>  
>  And the script says it was Nov 2... 
That is indeed a bug, I am looking into it but atm I cannot find where
it comes from, I'll have to dig further.

Thanks for pointing it out!
Pierre

[Daniel P. Berrange]

On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  Once in a while comes back the question: "is <insert nick here>
>  around ?"
>  Normally followed by: "I have opened and pinged him several time on
>  <bugzilla #/email/irc/insert what I missed here>".
>  
>  And there the hunt for the last trace of activity starts. Some days ago
>  someone on the list was asking if there wasn't such a program that would
>  help identifying if someone has been active recently.
>  
>  Well, I gave this a try.
>  http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-misc.git/tree/fedora_active_user.py
>  (download via git clone
>  http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-misc.git/ )
>  
>  This checks for the last activity on
>  - FAS ➙ return the last time the user logged in on a Fedora web-app:
>  wiki, fas, bodhi  (requires FAS auth)
>  - koji ➙ last build...
>  - bugzilla ➙ this takes a while as it retrieves all the bugs on which
>  the given email is either CC or Assigned and then check them all to
>  return the date of the last comment by this user.
>  - bodhi ➙ well this is not done yet (and I expect we will have similar
>  results as before) but the patch which will allow it should make it to
>  the next release
>  - mailing lists ➙ For this I use gmane which allow to search for email
>  coming from an email address. I used a define set of mailing list, this
>  can of course be extended.
>  
>  output:
>  ./fedora_active_user.py --user pingou --email=pingou(a)pingoured.fr --nobz
>  Last login in FAS:
>     FAS password for pingou: 
>     pingou 2011-12-05 22:07:35.996974+00:00
>  Last action on koji:
>     Fri Nov 11 14:35:20 2011 package list entry created:
>  python-straight-plugin in dist-f11 by pkgdb [still active]
>  Last action on Bodhi:
>     Not yet implemented
>  Last email on mailing list:
>     2011-12-03 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.devel
>     2009-11-04 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.artwork
>     2011-08-10 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.epel.devel
>     2011-10-13 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.extras.packaging
>     2011-12-01 gmane.linux.redhat.fedora.infrastructure
>  
>  Hope this helps and feel free to give suggestions, 
It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
6-9 months.

Daniel
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:26:00 +0000
"Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
>  in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
>  whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
>  6-9 months. 
Yeah, it's worth noting however, that anyone who hasn't been active in
the last 3 months or so likely didn't reset their password and upload a
new ssh key, so their account would be marked inactive. 

But this might find some people who were active in say bugzilla but
missed the fas changes, etc. 

kevin

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 10:53 -0700, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  But this might find some people who were active in say bugzilla but
>  missed the fas changes, etc.  
Just for reference, the bugzilla check doesn't work on F16, something
changed between the version 0.6.0 and 0.6.2 and what's returned has
changed so I cannot compare the email of the comments.
I'll have to see with wwoods on that.

Pierre

[Thomas Spura]

2011/12/6 Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com&gt;:
>  On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:26:00 +0000
>  "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>
> > It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
> > in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
> > whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
> > 6-9 months.
>
>  Yeah, it's worth noting however, that anyone who hasn't been active in
>  the last 3 months or so likely didn't reset their password and upload a
>  new ssh key, so their account would be marked inactive.
>
>  But this might find some people who were active in say bugzilla but
>  missed the fas changes, etc. 
Hmm, will the packages of inactive account holders be orphaned then?
Don't know of an example and if it's relevant at all... (Or if that's
already implemented in pkgdb...)

Greetings,
    Tom

[Toshio Kuratomi]

On Tue, Dec 06, 2011 at 09:44:33PM +0100, Thomas Spura wrote:
>  2011/12/6 Kevin Fenzi <kevin(a)scrye.com&gt;:
>  > On Tue, 6 Dec 2011 10:26:00 +0000
>  > "Daniel P. Berrange" <berrange(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  >
>  >> It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
>  >> in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
>  >> whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
>  >> 6-9 months.
>  >
>  > Yeah, it's worth noting however, that anyone who hasn't been active in
>  > the last 3 months or so likely didn't reset their password and upload a
>  > new ssh key, so their account would be marked inactive.
>  >
>  > But this might find some people who were active in say bugzilla but
>  > missed the fas changes, etc.
>  
>  Hmm, will the packages of inactive account holders be orphaned then?
>  Don't know of an example and if it's relevant at all... (Or if that's
>  already implemented in pkgdb...)
>  
Packages of inactive accont holders will be orphaned in January.  We decided
in the last infra meeting that we'd go ahead with inactivating accounts now
and give people some time to reset those in case they just missed the
deadline.  If they're still inactive in January (or sooner on a case by case
basis), we'll orphan the packages so that people can pick them up if they're
so inclined.

-Toshio

[Clyde E. Kunkel]

On 12/06/2011 05:26 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>  On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
> ><snip>
>  It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
>  in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
>  whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
>  6-9 months.
>
>  Daniel 
If we have a FAS account and don't use it often but review several 
fedora lists weekly, would we show up in this scenario?

-- 
Regards,
OldFart

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Tue, 2011-12-06 at 13:52 -0500, Clyde E. Kunkel wrote:
>  On 12/06/2011 05:26 AM, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
>  > On Mon, Dec 05, 2011 at 11:08:32PM +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  >><snip>
>  > It might be interesting to run this script across every single user
>  > in the Fedora accounts system, and proactively identify any users
>  > whom have not done anything in Fedora for a period longer than say
>  > 6-9 months.
>  >
>  > Daniel
>  
>  If we have a FAS account and don't use it often but review several 
>  fedora lists weekly, would we show up in this scenario? 
It does check few mailing-list through gmane, more can be added of
course.

Pierre

[Pierre-Yves Chibon]

On Mon, 2011-12-05 at 23:08 +0100, Pierre-Yves Chibon wrote:
>  (download via git clone
>  http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-misc.git/ )  
Move to its own repo on:
http://ambre.pingoured.fr/cgit/fedora-active-user.git/
Mirrored on github at:
https://github.com/pypingou/fedora-active-user

Pierre