TM

[OmniUni]

I see the trademark difficulty.

Perhaps "Lite Hat Linux" or something similar would work better? Either way, 
I feel that in order to assure such features as compatability, being up to 
date, and consistant quality, it is important that whatever the project be 
called, it be closely developed with fedora core. Though Cobind seems neat, 
and I will probably try it, the combination of Nautilus+XFCE makes me 
somewhat nervous. I have used gnome-panel with KDE, and Kicker with XFCE, 
but upon lauching nautilus while working on my FC-LT package selection, I 
ended with such a mess that it took no less than 20 minutes to sort out, and 
I promptly "rpm -e"'d nautilus.

Also note: I attempted to run GNOME on my dad's p3, 128MB/RAM, computer last 
night. Kernel had to kill all processes to free up memory. KDE was slow, but 
at least the kernel didn't have to get involved. I'm afraid GNOME is 
definately not suited for lower end computers, at least not yet.

Also, I like the idea of having other "brands" of "fedora" distros,
but due 
to Trademarks, perhaps we should take the *** Hat Linux (Audio Hat Linux? 
GraphiHat Linux?) naming convention to show the connection w/o infringing 
upon trademarks. Just an idea.

[Alan Cox]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 08:06:13AM -0400, OmniUni wrote:
>  called, it be closely developed with fedora core. Though Cobind seems
> neat, 
>  and I will probably try it, the combination of Nautilus+XFCE makes me 
>  somewhat nervous. I have used gnome-panel with KDE, and Kicker with XFCE,  
Nautilus + XFce works remarkably well and it gives you a desktop running 
entirely on the same library set.

>  to Trademarks, perhaps we should take the *** Hat Linux (Audio Hat
> Linux?  
Various other *** Hat's already exist and are other people's marks btw (eg
Hard Hat)

>  GraphiHat Linux?) naming convention to show the connection w/o
> infringing 
>  upon trademarks. Just an idea. 
Personally I'm in favour of Fedora Light/Lite providing its a "light"
Fedora
that has the same packages but different default set (ie its 100% compatible)
and that there is a community around it not just one persons view

Desktop memory consumption was: Re: TM

[Kjartan Maraas]

man, 27,.06.2005 kl. 08.06 -0400, skrev OmniUni:
>  I see the trademark difficulty.
>  
>  Perhaps "Lite Hat Linux" or something similar would work better?
>  Either way, I feel that in order to assure such features as
>  compatability, being up to date, and consistant quality, it is
>  important that whatever the project be called, it be closely developed
>  with fedora core. Though Cobind seems neat, and I will probably try
>  it, the combination of Nautilus+XFCE makes me somewhat nervous. I have
>  used gnome-panel with KDE, and Kicker with XFCE, but upon lauching
>  nautilus while working on my FC-LT package selection, I ended with
>  such a mess that it took no less than 20 minutes to sort out, and I
>  promptly "rpm -e"'d nautilus.
>  
>  Also note: I attempted to run GNOME on my dad's p3, 128MB/RAM,
>  computer last night. Kernel had to kill all processes to free up
>  memory. KDE was slow, but at least the kernel didn't have to get
>  involved. I'm afraid GNOME is definately not suited for lower end
>  computers, at least not yet.
>   
Please be more specific with regards to what "attempted to run GNOME"
really means. I'm writing this from Evolution with a 3 GB local
mailstore and while not hugely pleasant it works at least. I've also got
a terminal running and xchat along with the normal panel and nautilus.

Applets:

- cpu frequency monitor
- battery monitor
- gnome-dictionary
- volume control
- clock applet
- Network Manager applet
- tasklist
- workspace switcher
- notification area

[kmaraas@localhost ~]$ free
             total       used       free     shared    buffers     cached
Mem:        125792     123460       2332          0        484      14304
-/+ buffers/cache:     108672      17120
Swap:      1048568     178912     869656

I guess I could easily free up some more memory if I went with a
non-translucent panel and a fixed color background instead of this huge
image I have there now. That and a slimmer evolution would make things
absolutely workable IMO.

All in all I was pleasantly surprised by this. I had expected much worse
behaviour after reading your message ;-)

Cheers
Kjartan

Desktop memory consumption was: Re: TM

[Alan Cox]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 05:10:52PM +0200, Kjartan Maraas wrote:
>  non-translucent panel and a fixed color background instead of this
> huge
>  image I have there now. That and a slimmer evolution would make things
>  absolutely workable IMO. 
Its called "sylpheed" ;)

[Kyrre Ness Sjobak]

man, 27.06.2005 kl. 14.20 skrev Alan Cox:
>  On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 08:06:13AM -0400, OmniUni wrote:
>  > called, it be closely developed with fedora core. Though Cobind seems neat, 
>  > and I will probably try it, the combination of Nautilus+XFCE makes me 
>  > somewhat nervous. I have used gnome-panel with KDE, and Kicker with XFCE, 
>  
>  Nautilus + XFce works remarkably well and it gives you a desktop running 
>  entirely on the same library set.
>  
>  > to Trademarks, perhaps we should take the *** Hat Linux (Audio Hat Linux? 
>  
>  Various other *** Hat's already exist and are other people's marks btw (eg
>  Hard Hat)
>  
>  > GraphiHat Linux?) naming convention to show the connection w/o infringing 
>  > upon trademarks. Just an idea.
>  
>  Personally I'm in favour of Fedora Light/Lite providing its a "light"
> Fedora
>  that has the same packages but different default set (ie its 100% compatible)
>  and that there is a community around it not just one persons view 
Yes - Fedora LT migth probably be OK? Would be practical if it wasn just
"fedora-like", but really *was* fedora - just a different install set
with different CD's - or even better, for fc5, when there should exist
extras CD's: A new choice in Anaconda as with "desktop"
"workstation"
"server" etc.

Now: Any hints for freeing up some memory on a 128 MB laptop without
sacryfising to much functionality? Getting rid of SElinux perhaps?

[Rahul Sundaram]

Hi

> Now: Any hints for freeing up some memory on a 128 MB laptop without
> sacryfising to much functionality? Getting rid of SElinux perhaps?
>
>   
>  
How would getting rid of SElinux free up sufficient memory to enable 
Fedora to run on a 128 MB system.?. you are better off running something 
like Rule Project instead or work on optimising the system where it 
really counts

regards
Rahul

[Matthew Miller]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 05:37:34PM +0200, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
>  Yes - Fedora LT migth probably be OK? Would be practical if it wasn
> just
>  "fedora-like", but really *was* fedora - just a different install set with
>  different CD's - or even better, for fc5, when there should exist extras
>  CD's: A new choice in Anaconda as with "desktop" "workstation"
> "server"
>  etc. 
I think this is really the way to go. It's easy to add install classes to
Anaconda, and I think a lot of people would appreciate seeing a "lite"
choice there.

-- 
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Current office temperature: 87 degrees Fahrenheit.

Desktop memory consumption was: Re: TM

[Jesse Keating]

On Mon, 2005-06-27 at 11:22 -0400, Alan Cox wrote:
>  Its called "sylpheed" ;) 
Is sylpheed gtk2 yet?   I stopped using it a few releases ago because it
was really crashy and really slow on my imap system where I regularly
have 5~10K messages in a folder.

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Desktop memory consumption was: Re: TM

[Ralf Ertzinger]

Hi.

Jesse Keating <jkeating(a)j2solutions.net&gt; wrote:

>  Is sylpheed gtk2 yet? 
claws at least is.

>  I stopped using it a few releases ago because it
>  was really crashy and really slow on my imap system where I regularly
>  have 5~10K messages in a folder. 
IMAP still sucks, IMHO. Especially as there is no way to disable
local caching.

-- 
"Hey Beavis, this fridge here, like, it's really cool.. huh-huhh huh.."
"Yeah Butt-head.. this vacuum cleaner sucks.. heh-heh hehh heh-heh.."

[Alan Cox]

On Mon, Jun 27, 2005 at 09:10:56PM +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  How would getting rid of SElinux free up sufficient memory to enable
>
>  Fedora to run on a 128 MB system.?. you are better off running something 
>  like Rule Project instead or work on optimising the system where it 
>  really counts 
SELinux does use a measurable amount of memory. The things I tend to do on a 
small box are:
	run xfce
	run sylpheed
	avoid any Qt apps (just to avoid both library sets being in memory)

It is mostly about application choices. Big desktop backgrounds do also have a
small impact especially with modern 32bit 1600x1200 displays.

Desktop memory consumption was: Re: TM

[Michael Schwendt]

On Mon, 27 Jun 2005 18:37:15 +0200, Ralf Ertzinger wrote:

>  
>  > Is sylpheed gtk2 yet?
>  
>  claws at least is. 
Sylpheed is, too, see Fedora Extras Development.

-- 
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Fedora Core release 4 (Stentz) - Linux 2.6.11-1.1369_FC4
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