Fedora 33 Self-Contained Change proposal: Default animated background for Fedora Workstation

[Ben Cotton]

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground

== Summary ==
Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.

== Owner ==
* Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
* Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
* Product: Workstation


== Detailed Description ==

Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated
background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on
desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able
to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.

== Benefit to Fedora ==

Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.

Does this improve specific Spins or Editions?
          Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and
Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and
Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish
to use the default animated background.


== Scope ==
* Proposal owners:
Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in
order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format.
Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background
Settings.

* Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Release engineering: Possibly a slight increase of ISO file.
* Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)

== Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== How To Test ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== User Experience ==
Users will notice an animation of the default background related to
the time of the day.

== Dependencies ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== Contingency Plan ==
* Contingency mechanism: Revert to the default static background
* Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
* Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== Documentation ==
N/A (not a System Wide Change)

== Release Notes ==
N/A


-- 
Ben Cotton
He / Him / His
Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream
Red Hat
TZ=America/Indiana/Indianapolis

[Igor Raits]

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On Mon, 2020-06-15 at 16:10 -0400, Ben Cotton wrote:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
>  
>  == Summary ==
>  Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>  
>  == Owner ==
>  * Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
>  * Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
>  * Product: Workstation
>  
>  
>  == Detailed Description ==
>  
>  Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated
>  background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on
>  desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able
>  to select a different frame from the default (and variant)
>  background. 
I was actually surprised that we don't do that already!

>  == Benefit to Fedora ==
>  
>  Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly
>  as default. 
I am not sure if the Change Proposal is actually needed for this, but
thanks for working on it.

>  Does this improve specific Spins or Editions?
>            Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and
>  Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and
>  Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish
>  to use the default animated background.
>  
>  
>  == Scope ==
>  * Proposal owners:
>  Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in
>  order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format.
>  Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background
>  Settings.
>  
>  * Other developers: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  * Release engineering: Possibly a slight increase of ISO file.
>  * Policies and guidelines: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  * Trademark approval: N/A (not needed for this Change)
>  
>  == Upgrade/compatibility impact ==
>  N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
>  == How To Test ==
>  N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
>  == User Experience ==
>  Users will notice an animation of the default background related to
>  the time of the day.
>  
>  == Dependencies ==
>  N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
>  == Contingency Plan ==
>  * Contingency mechanism: Revert to the default static background
>  * Contingency deadline: N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  * Blocks release? N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
>  == Documentation ==
>  N/A (not a System Wide Change)
>  
>  == Release Notes ==
>  N/A
>  
>  
>  -- 
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>  Senior Program Manager, Fedora & CentOS Stream
>  Red Hat
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[Kevin Kofler]

Ben Cotton wrote:
>  == Summary ==
>  Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>  
>  == Owner ==
>  * Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
>  * Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
>  * Product: Workstation 
Is this gimmick really worth the extra space used on all deliverables?

>  == Detailed Description ==
>  
>  Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated
>  background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on
>  desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able
>  to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background. 
"select a different frame"? Does that imply that you want to ship the full 
animated package on all spins, even those that do not support animated 
backgrounds, and let each spin pick its own preferred version out of the 
list (because all will be shipped anyway)? As opposed to the current state, 
where there is a distrowide default static version and the spins that do not 
use animated backgrounds require only that subpackage? That change would be 
a significant waste of space with no benefit to the user.

        Kevin Kofler

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:41 am, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; 
wrote:
>  "select a different frame"? Does that imply that you want
> to ship the 
>  full
>  animated package on all spins, even those that do not support animated
>  backgrounds, and let each spin pick its own preferred version out of 
>  the
>  list (because all will be shipped anyway)? 
No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging 
works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do 
not need to install.

[Kevin Kofler]

Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging
>  works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do
>  not need to install. 
My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it 
will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.

If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.

        Kevin Kofler

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:33 pm, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at&gt; 
wrote:
>  If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good. 
So I'm not the change owner, but I think the plan is to leave the 
subpackaging as it is now in F32 (not F31 where it is wonky).

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 2020-06-16 2:33 p.m., Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> > No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging
> > works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do
> > not need to install.
>  My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it
>  will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.
>
>  If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
>
>           Kevin Kofler 
The change applied for Fedora 33 while the current
subppackages for F32 
remains as it is as answered.

-- 
Luya Tshimbalanga
Fedora Design Team
Fedora Design Suite maintainer

[Kevin Kofler]

Luya Tshimbalanga wrote:
>  On 2020-06-16 2:33 p.m., Kevin Kofler wrote:
> > Michael Catanzaro wrote:
> >> No, see the existing f32-backgrounds.spec for how the subpackaging
> >> works. Animated backgrounds are in a separate subpackage that spins do
> >> not need to install.
> > My question was whether this Change intends to change that or whether it
> > will stay as now. The formulation is unclear.
> >
> > If the subpackaging remains as now, that is good.
> >
> >          Kevin Kofler
>  The change applied for Fedora 33 while the current subppackages for F32
>  remains as it is as answered. 
So you intend to change the subpackaging for Fedora 33? Please don't. The 
animated backgrounds should remain in a subpackage so that they are only 
installed on those desktop environments that actually support the animations 
and do not waste space everywhere else.

Backgrounds are a significant source of bloat for our live images (also 
because JPEG images are already compressed and hence are not or only barely 
compressible by xz (or zstd or whatever)). So it is really important to not 
install variants that will not actually be used.

        Kevin Kofler

[Neal Gompa]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
>
>  == Summary ==
>  Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>
>  == Owner ==
>  * Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
>  * Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
>  * Product: Workstation
>
>
>  == Detailed Description ==
>
>  Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated
>  background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on
>  desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able
>  to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
>
>  == Benefit to Fedora ==
>
>  Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
>
>  Does this improve specific Spins or Editions?
>            Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and
>  Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and
>  Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish
>  to use the default animated background.
>
>
>  == Scope ==
>  * Proposal owners:
>  Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in
>  order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format.
>  Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background
>  Settings.
>  
So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers
don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love
animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop
too...



-- 
真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!

[Carson Black]

That depends on the format of the animated wallpapers, which I can't
seem to figure out from this thread nor the changes page.

-- Carson Black [ jan Pontajosi ]

Am Mo., 15. Juni 2020 um 21:06 Uhr schrieb Neal Gompa <ngompa13(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>
> On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 4:11 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
> >
> > == Summary ==
> > Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
> >
> > == Owner ==
> > * Name: [[User:luya| Luya Tshimbalanga]]
> > * Email: luyaATfedoraproject.org
> > * Product: Workstation
> >
> >
> > == Detailed Description ==
> >
> > Starting from Release 33, Fedora Workstation uses default animated
> > background as a visual showcase. Spins and lab maintainers running on
> > desktop environment unable to support animated wallpaper will be able
> > to select a different frame from the default (and variant) background.
> >
> > == Benefit to Fedora ==
> >
> > Fedora Workstation will showcase its animated background seamlessly as default.
> >
> > Does this improve specific Spins or Editions?
> >           Design Suite Labs, which is based from Workstation, and
> > Fedora Silverblue will take advantage of its change. Other Spins and
> > Labs will remains unaffected unless their respective maintainers wish
> > to use the default animated background.
> >
> >
> > == Scope ==
> > * Proposal owners:
> > Fedora Workstation may need a slight increase of its ISO file size in
> > order to implement the animated backgrounds which are in PNG format.
> > Each frame from animation will be selectable from the Background
> > Settings.
> >
>
> So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers
> don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love
> animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop
> too...
>
>
>
> --
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[Kevin Fenzi]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 09:05:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
>  
>  So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers
>  don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love
>  animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop
>  too... 
I think KDE does support some kind of live/dynamic wallpaper, but it's
done in a completely different way from the gnome implementation. 
As far as I know there's no standard there.

Xfce has never supported live wallpapers, the code simply does not
exist. 

kevin

[Przemek Klosowski]

On 6/15/20 9:46 PM, Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>  On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 09:05:42PM -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:
> > So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated wallpapers
> > don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love
> > animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop
> > too...
>  I think KDE does support some kind of live/dynamic wallpaper, but it's
>  done in a completely different way from the gnome implementation.
>  As far as I know there's no standard there.
>
>  Xfce has never supported live wallpapers, the code simply does not
>  exist. 
IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance 
f31-backgrounds-animated  has  f31-backgrounds-kde  as a weak dependency.

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:22 am, Przemek Klosowski via devel 
<devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance
>  f31-backgrounds-animated  has  f31-backgrounds-kde  as a weak 
>  dependency. 
Looks like the F31 package is broken, the Supplements there do not make 
sense and pull in desktop-specific subpackages improperly. This problem 
was identified before the release of F32 and the F32 package is fixed.

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 2020-06-16 8:27 a.m., Michael Catanzaro wrote:
>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 11:22 am, Przemek Klosowski via devel 
>  <devel(a)lists.fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
> > IDK how exactly it works, but I see that for instance
> > f31-backgrounds-animated  has  f31-backgrounds-kde  as a weak 
> > dependency.
>
>  Looks like the F31 package is broken, the Supplements there do not 
>  make sense and pull in desktop-specific subpackages improperly. This 
>  problem was identified before the release of F32 and the F32 package 
>  is fixed. 
F31 packages and previous will get fixed. Recommends command will get 
applied for nearly all versions of backgrounds as update.

-- 
Luya Tshimbalanga
Fedora Design Team
Fedora Design Suite maintainer

[Miroslav Suchý]

Dne 16. 06. 20 v 3:05 Neal Gompa napsal(a):
>  So I'm confused here, does anyone know why the animated
> wallpapers
>  don't work in KDE Plasma or any other desktop? I personally love
>  animated wallpapers and I'd like to see this on my KDE Plasma desktop
>  too...
>   
https://store.kde.org/p/1295389

Though, I am not using it. No personal experience.

-- 
Miroslav Suchy, RHCA
Red Hat, Associate Manager ABRT/Copr, #brno, #fedora-buildsys

[Kamil Paral]

On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:

>  https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
>
>  == Summary ==
>  Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>  
Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it
like a video/gif running on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does
this mean simply a wallpaper slideshow, where the wallpaper changes every X
minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a different one for the
morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one
who sees the term "animated background" as super-confusing here?

[Jiri Vanek]

On 6/16/20 9:18 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  
>      https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
>  
>      == Summary ==
>      Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>  
>  
>  Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it like a
> video/gif running
>  on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does this mean simply a wallpaper slideshow,
> where the
>  wallpaper changes every X minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a different
> one for
>  the morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one who sees the
> term
>  "animated background" as super-confusing here?
>   

I would like to support this qeuestion.

Where  I like animated backgroundsa and am looking forward to have them done right in
fedora, what
kind of animation is in the scope here?

 - android like for swithing workspace
 - gif/video like one onisngle worksapce
 - different bakground on different workspace
 - chnaging backround fromtime to time
 - anything else?

What if the spin support onl some subset of what main implementation will bring?

Thanx a lot for effort!
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[Iñaki Ucar]

On Tue, 16 Jun 2020 at 12:14, Jiri Vanek <jvanek(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On 6/16/20 9:18 AM, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  > On Mon, Jun 15, 2020 at 10:12 PM Ben Cotton <bcotton(a)redhat.com
> <mailto:[e-mail]>> wrote:
>  >
>  >     https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/DefaultAnimatedBackground
>  >
>  >     == Summary ==
>  >     Fedora Workstation 33 uses animate background as default.
>  >
>  >
>  > Can somebody enlighten me what an animated background exactly means? Is it like a
> video/gif running
>  > on your background endlessly in a loop? Or does this mean simply a wallpaper
> slideshow, where the
>  > wallpaper changes every X minutes/hours (or possibly based on the daytime, so a
> different one for
>  > the morning/noon/evening/night)? If the latter is correct, am I the only one who
> sees the term
>  > "animated background" as super-confusing here?
>  >
>
>
>  I would like to support this qeuestion.
>
>  Where  I like animated backgroundsa and am looking forward to have them done right in
> fedora, what
>  kind of animation is in the scope here? 
From what I found after a quick search ("gnome animated background"),
apparently, it's a video-like effect, but the implementation comprises
several static images (e.g., a general background and several smaller
parts) and a file defining transitions (e.g., of those parts over that
background).

-- 
Iñaki Úcar

[Kamil Paral]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 12:24 PM Iñaki Ucar <iucar(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

>  From what I found after a quick search ("gnome animated
> background"),
>  apparently, it's a video-like effect, but the implementation comprises
>  several static images (e.g., a general background and several smaller
>  parts) and a file defining transitions (e.g., of those parts over that
>  background).
>  
The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing this,
or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very varying
ideas of how this works and looks.

[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
>
>  this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very 
>  varying ideas of how this works and looks. 
$ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated

Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for 
yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state 
transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, 
transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning, 
standard colors during daytime.

Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't 
used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an 
animated background by default once before a while back, though it's 
been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)

[Neal Gompa]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt; wrote:
>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
>  > this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very
>  > varying ideas of how this works and looks.
>
>  $ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
>
>  Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for
>  yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state
>  transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary,
>  transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning,
>  standard colors during daytime.
>
>  Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't
>  used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an
>  animated background by default once before a while back, though it's
>  been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
>  
We did back in Fedora 7, if I recall correctly. :)


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[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 2020-06-16 5:47 a.m., Neal Gompa wrote:
>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 8:46 AM Michael Catanzaro
> <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt; wrote:
> > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> >> The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
> >> this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very
> >> varying ideas of how this works and looks.
> > $ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
> >
> > Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for
> > yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state
> > transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary,
> > transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning,
> > standard colors during daytime.
> >
> > Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't
> > used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an
> > animated background by default once before a while back, though it's
> > been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
> >
>  We did back in Fedora 7, if I recall correctly. :)
>
>  
Thanks for that info.  Basically, the goal is to bring back the animated 
background as default.

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[Michael Catanzaro]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 7:46 am, Michael Catanzaro 
<mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt; wrote:
>  Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for 
>  yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state 
>  transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary, 
>  transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the 
>  morning, standard colors during daytime. 
I should add that GNOME upstream has been using animated backgrounds by 
default since... again, I don't remember, a long time. It's not a 
gimmick, it actually looks good and works well.

[Kamil Paral]

On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Michael Catanzaro <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral
> <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
>  > this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very
>  > varying ideas of how this works and looks.
>
>  $ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
>
>  Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for
>  yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state
>  transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary,
>  transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning,
>  standard colors during daytime.
>
>  Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't
>  used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an
>  animated background by default once before a while back, though it's
>  been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
>  
Alright, thanks for your explanation (which should've been part of the
proposal). So "animated" (which is a very bad choice of terminology, imho)
means simply a time-of-day-based slideshow.

[Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek]

On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 11:56:52AM +0200, Kamil Paral wrote:
>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:47 PM Michael Catanzaro
> <mcatanzaro(a)gnome.org&gt;
>  wrote:
>  
>  > On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  > > The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
>  > > this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very
>  > > varying ideas of how this works and looks.
>  >
>  > $ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
>  >
>  > Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for
>  > yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state
>  > transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary,
>  > transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the morning,
>  > standard colors during daytime.
>  >
>  > Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't
>  > used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an
>  > animated background by default once before a while back, though it's
>  > been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
>  >
>  
>  Alright, thanks for your explanation (which should've been part of the
>  proposal). So "animated" (which is a very bad choice of terminology, imho)
>  means simply a time-of-day-based slideshow. 
I took the liberty to add a short explanation based on this to the
Change page.

Zbyszek

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 16. 06. 20 v 14:46 Michael Catanzaro napsal(a):
>  On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:03 pm, Kamil Paral
> <kparal(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
> > The person proposing this Change should supply some video showcasing
> > this, or a very detailed description, otherwise people will have very
> > varying ideas of how this works and looks.
>
>  $ sudo dnf install f32-backgrounds-animated
>
>  Select the animated background in gnome-control-center and see for
>  yourself how it works. :) It's an XML file that describes state
>  transitions between static images. Usually only the colors vary,
>  transitioning to darker colors at night, lighter colors in the
>  morning, standard colors during daytime. 

Wasn't the animated background default in RHEL6? If not, then it was
definitely optional.


Vít


>  Fedora has supported this for as long as I remember, we just haven't
>  used it by default in a long time. (I think we actually shipped an
>  animated background by default once before a while back, though it's
>  been long enough that I don't remember that for certain.)
>
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