Official font

[Iñaki Ucar]

Hi all,

I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of the
Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)

[1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont

Cheers,
Iñaki

[Jakub Jelen]

On Wed, 2019-10-30 at 16:58 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
> Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of
> the
> Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
> aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)
>
> [1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont

There is official Fedora font, used at least in the official Fedora
presentation templates:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations/Template

Not sure how widely is it used elsewhere, but I certainly used that
template few times.

Regards,

[Iñaki Ucar]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 17:42, Jakub Jelen  wrote:
> On Wed, 2019-10-30 at 16:58 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
> > Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of
> > the
> > Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> > official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
> > aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> > someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)
> >
> > [1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont
>
> There is official Fedora font, used at least in the official Fedora
> presentation templates:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations/Template
>
> Not sure how widely is it used elsewhere, but I certainly used that
> template few times.

"Comfortaa is used for titles and Droid Sans is used for body text."

Kind of, but not quite what the "Ubuntu family" of fonts means to
Ubuntu, and what I had in mind. But I didn't know about this template
either, thanks.

Iñaki

[Luya Tshimbalanga]

On 2019-10-30 9:54 a.m., Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 17:42, Jakub Jelen  wrote:
> > On Wed, 2019-10-30 at 16:58 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > > Hi all,
> > >
> > > I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
> > > Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of
> > > the
> > > Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> > > official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
> > > aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> > > someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)
> > >
> > > [1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont
> >
> > There is official Fedora font, used at least in the official Fedora
> > presentation templates:
> >
> > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations/Template
> >
> > Not sure how widely is it used elsewhere, but I certainly used that
> > template few times.
>
> "Comfortaa is used for titles and Droid Sans is used for body text."
>
> Kind of, but not quite what the "Ubuntu family" of fonts means to
> Ubuntu, and what I had in mind. But I didn't know about this template
> either, thanks.

Hello Iñaki,

Comfortaa was the default in the past. Montserrat (already packaged in 
the repository) is the official fonts used by Design team. The linked 
template is outdated and on the way of revamp to use Montserrat [2].

Reference
--------------

[1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/julietaula-montserrat-fonts

[2] https://pagure.io/design/issue/629

[Iñaki Ucar]

Great, thanks! That template looks wonderful!

Iñaki

El jue., 31 oct. 2019 0:48, Luya Tshimbalanga 
escribió:
> On 2019-10-30 9:54 a.m., Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 17:42, Jakub Jelen  wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2019-10-30 at 16:58 +0100, Iñaki Ucar wrote:
> > > > Hi all,
> > > >
> > > > I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
> > > > Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of
> > > > the
> > > > Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> > > > official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
> > > > aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> > > > someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)
> > > >
> > > > [1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont
> > >
> > > There is official Fedora font, used at least in the official Fedora
> > > presentation templates:
> > >
> > > https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Presentations/Template
> > >
> > > Not sure how widely is it used elsewhere, but I certainly used that
> > > template few times.
> >
> > "Comfortaa is used for titles and Droid Sans is used for body text."
> >
> > Kind of, but not quite what the "Ubuntu family" of fonts means to
> > Ubuntu, and what I had in mind. But I didn't know about this template
> > either, thanks.
>
> Hello Iñaki,
>
> Comfortaa was the default in the past. Montserrat (already packaged in
> the repository) is the official fonts used by Design team. The linked
> template is outdated and on the way of revamp to use Montserrat [2].
> Reference
>
> [1] https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/julietaula-montserrat-fonts
>
> [2] https://pagure.io/design/issue/629
>
> --
> Luya Tshimbalanga
> Fedora Design Team
> Fedora Design Suite maintainer
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[Stephen John Smoogen]

On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 11:59, Iñaki Ucar  wrote:
> Hi all,
>
> I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's a
> Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of the
> Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just thinking
> aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)

Font designs are hard. You have multiple copyright and similar legal
rights which you have to both deal with and contract out to. Font work
comes up in waves.. the last wave was about 6 to 8 years ago when
people were working on various fonts for Fedora.. but then it sort of
hit a fallow time because it takes a continual effort of interested
and knowledgeable participants.
> [1] https://github.com/RedHatOfficial/RedHatFont
>
> Cheers,
> Iñaki
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[Nicolas Mailhot]

Le mercredi 30 octobre 2019 à 12:53 -0400, Stephen John Smoogen a
écrit :
> On Wed, 30 Oct 2019 at 11:59, Iñaki Ucar 
> wrote:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I incidentally discovered today that, since quite recently, there's
> > a
> > Red Hat font [1]. And this led me to think about the popularity of
> > the
> > Ubuntu font, you know, and how nice would be to have a nice catchy
> > official Fedora font integrated into the distro... I'm just
> > thinking
> > aloud, because I don't know anything about font design. But maybe
> > someone picks up the gauntlet... ;-)
>
> Font designs are hard. You have multiple copyright and similar legal
> rights which you have to both deal with and contract out to.

Creating fonts is hard, because they require drawing many symbols to be
useful (Unicode grows year after year), over several axes (at least 
Weight, Width and Slope), keeping all the symbols æsthetically
balanced, and respecting cultural conventions.

Plus, HiDPI is not yet available everywhere, so you need to deal with
pixel grid-fitting (round symbol shape dimensions at all sizes) and all
the associated crap. Last I checked Wayland is unable to drive HiDPI
screens properly because input handling is not separated in a dedicated
thread, so if you increase the number of pixels too much, input will
lag and miss keystrokes.

It is fairly easy to create toy fonts limited to a few hundreds of
symbols (typically ASCII), or to create an “artistic” effect (meaning
no one will suffer reading long runs of texts that use this font). It
is mightily hard to create a font, good enough to be used in everyday
life.

That’s why most free software projects cheat and commission they fonts
at professional foundries (Bitstream for Vera, Ascender for Liberation,
Crosscore and Droid, Bold Monday for IBM Plex, Bigelow & Holmes for Go,
Dalton Maag for Ubuntu).

There are very few quality fonts on the market which have been created
by a community process (Linux Libertine, DejaVu, Cantarell)
> > Font work
> > comes up in waves.. the last wave was about 6 to 8 years ago when
> > people were working on various fonts for Fedora.. but then it sort
>
> of
> > hit a fallow time because it takes a continual effort of interested
> > and knowledgeable participants.

Font work (creation and packaging) takes a lot of commitment and
attention to detail. It's hard to sustain so it comes and goes.

BTW
https://pagure.io/fork/nim/fonts-rpm-macros/commits/master
https://pagure.io/fork/nim/packaging-committee/tree/fonts-rpm-macros
(rebases hide the actual commit dates in the web view)

Regards,