xmms is (imho) the best music player that ships with FC simply from a usability standpoint, small screen footprint etc.
However, it does not use the gtk2 interface and does not use the gstreamer backend.
I found what I think would be a good replacement - it currently does not work for me, so it has that against it, but that may be because I updated my gstreamer plugins from stock fc3 (to 0.8.6) though that hasn't effected other gstreamer apps.
It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
It has a very small screen footprint, and simple easy to use interface. It works for me up to the point of actually playing a song, then it hangs (I've only tried mp3 - I haven't tried flac or ogg). But I think it is worth looking into for possible inclusion in Fedora Extras and eventual replacement of xmms, which doesn't seem interested in gtk2 or gstreamer support.
Hi Michael,
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:12, Michael A. Peters wrote: [..]
It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
I've actually played with it. It suffers from the problems of being very young. It sometimes hangs, it crashes when doing weird crazy stuff. The stuff that other, more mature players, already got around to. Rhythmbox has a minimal player mode than I enjoy a lot.
Its interface is good though, gotta admit that. But there's more to it than the looks. :).
Ronald
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 23:42 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
Hi Michael,
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 22:12, Michael A. Peters wrote: [..]
It's called eina - http://bolgo.cent.uji.es/proyectos/eina-en
I've actually played with it. It suffers from the problems of being very young. It sometimes hangs, it crashes when doing weird crazy stuff. The stuff that other, more mature players, already got around to. Rhythmbox has a minimal player mode than I enjoy a lot.
Its interface is good though, gotta admit that. But there's more to it than the looks. :).
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs. Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this one song' mode.
-sv
seth vidal wrote:
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs. Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and albums).
Steven Garrity
Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox and totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution for both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
søn, 28,.11.2004 kl. 19.43 -0400, skrev Steven Garrity:
seth vidal wrote:
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs. Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and albums).
Steven Garrity
On 11/28/2004 03:56:17 PM, Sindre Pedersen Bjordal wrote:
Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox and totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution for both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
Yes, and I currently use totem that way. Hopefully in fc4 totem will be in default gnome desktop install, rather than needing to be selected.
But totem has a rather large interface when it starts up, it in a movie player.
Something like xmms but gtk2 and GStreamer is what I long for. Gamp is nice, and even works well for me - even with aac files (which Rhythmbox doesn't - yet ...) but Eina has the best interface I've seen (so far) and (well, it doesn't work for me) allows you to load a single song or load from a playlist.
Michael A. Peters wrote:
Sindre Pedersen Bjordal wrote:
Totem offers this kind of functionality, and because both rhythmbox and totem uses gstreamer, I would think we already have a good solution both of the playback scenarios with minimum hassle.
Yes, and I currently use totem that way. Hopefully in fc4 totem will be in default gnome desktop install, rather than needing to be selected.
But totem has a rather large interface when it starts up, it in a movie player.
Something like xmms but gtk2 and GStreamer is what I long for. Gamp is nice, and even works well for me - even with aac files (which Rhythmbox doesn't - yet ...) but Eina has the best interface I've seen (so far) and (well, it doesn't work for me) allows you to load a single song or load from a playlist.
Totem always has a simple set of audio/video controls and simple playlist abilities. I'd rather see Totem tweaked a bit to be a good XMMS replacement rather than introduce ANOTHER media player.
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Steven Garrity
On 11/28/2004 04:56:55 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Maybe - but a number of people are just using RealPlayer10 anyway - which is allegedly more capable than Helix (I haven't tried either).
They want to make their first steps into the Open Source world and see if they can build an ecosystem around their dead products and dead technologies. Probably a plugin for their Helix player is compatible with RealPlayer too, and they want to see plugins popping around.
Nobody told them that if Helix can't play MP3, WMA, RM, MPEG and other basic stuff we use, nobody will use it, and without users you can't build an ecosystem.
Good luck for them. They'll need it.
Regards, Avi
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 04:44:32 +0000, Michael A. Peters mpeters@mac.com wrote:
On 11/28/2004 04:56:55 PM, Steven Garrity wrote:
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
Maybe - but a number of people are just using RealPlayer10 anyway - which is allegedly more capable than Helix (I haven't tried either).
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 10:31, Avi Alkalay wrote:
They want to make their first steps into the Open Source world and see if they can build an ecosystem around their dead products and dead technologies. Probably a plugin for their Helix player is compatible with RealPlayer too, and they want to see plugins popping around.
If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into the world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to be GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using GStreamer. I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly play realmedia files.
But as we all know, it's really just a joke. They don't care about the free software world. They need users to get funding for their paid content. Very disappointing.
Ronald
On 11/29/2004 02:32:30 AM, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into the world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to be GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using GStreamer. I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly play realmedia files.
Yes - that would be nice. I'm hoping for the day (it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon) when Apple releases a fairplay plugin for GStreamer so that I don't have to jump through hoops to play iTMS songs in Linux.
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but I've spent about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without needing a burn/re-rip.
I'm hoping for the day when divx.com releases a plugin that lets me play rented divx movies in Totem - already the GStreamer plugin for divx is quite good, The HD divx movie trailers play smoother for me in totem than they do on the same hardware in Windows. That may be more likely to happen, divx seems at least somewhat friendly to linux, with free periodic releases of their library including header files needed for developers.
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 19:19, Michael A. Peters wrote: [..]
I'm hoping for the day when divx.com releases a plugin that lets me play rented divx movies in Totem - already the GStreamer plugin for divx is quite good, The HD divx movie trailers play smoother for me in totem than they do on the same hardware in Windows. That may be more likely to happen, divx seems at least somewhat friendly to linux, with free periodic releases of their library including header files needed for developers.
DivX has been a decent (not perfect, but still decent) Linux player so far. We're hoping that with the settlement of GStreamer as the default media component across desktops on the Linux platform, distributors like Apple will slowly start to pay attention to us.
However, that's probably a multi-year thing. I wouldn't expect it to happen instantly. We'll have to live with the (legally questionable) hacks for now - stuff that unfortunately cannot be shipped in Fedora... :-(.
Ronald
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Neither can a properitary, vendor-delivered codec.
People ship Shockwave legally.
Ronald
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:37:06 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje rbultje@ronald.bitfreak.net wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Neither can a properitary, vendor-delivered codec.
People ship Shockwave legally.
There are two issues one is legality and one is policy. If its deemed illegal by Red Hat legal to ship.. its not shipped in Core. If its deemed legal but it is not open source, current Fedora Core policy.. prevents it from shipping. The Core policy and mission is to distribute a fully open-source distribution. So even if a vendor produces a re-distributable closed source binary for a propretary codec.. its not going to be available as part of Core.
-jef"doesn't suggest you hold your breath waiting for the policy to change"spaleta
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 17:43 -0500, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
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-jef"doesn't suggest you hold your breath waiting for the policy to change"spaleta
And if you decide not to heed Jeff's advice here, you just may suffocate due to plenty of people like *me* lobbying *hard* to prevent that policy from ever being changed.
;-)
On 11/29/2004 02:43:27 PM, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On Mon, 29 Nov 2004 23:37:06 +0100, Ronald S. Bultje rbultje@ronald.bitfreak.net wrote:
On Mon, 2004-11-29 at 22:52, Kyrre Ness Sjobak wrote:
Neither can a properitary, vendor-delivered codec.
People ship Shockwave legally.
There are two issues one is legality and one is policy. If its deemed illegal by Red Hat legal to ship.. its not shipped in Core. If its deemed legal but it is not open source, current Fedora Core policy.. prevents it from shipping.
To be honest that's fine by me - I don't mind downloading from a vendors site. Sure it would be nice if Fedora came with absolutely everything I wanted - but realistically it never will, even for software that does meet policy, and downloading from other sources is the reallity. And that's true with any desktop OS.
man, 29.11.2004 kl. 19.19 skrev Michael A. Peters:
On 11/29/2004 02:32:30 AM, Ronald S. Bultje wrote:
If they were really serious about their efforts to set a foot into the world of free software, they'd make plugins (which don't even have to be GPL'ed, mind you!) available to play Realmedia content using GStreamer. I've even offered to write those plugins for them, for free (see the GNOME d-d-l archives)! The whole GNOME and KDE desktop would suddenly play realmedia files.
Yes - that would be nice. I'm hoping for the day (it doesn't look like it's coming anytime soon) when Apple releases a fairplay plugin for GStreamer so that I don't have to jump through hoops to play iTMS songs in Linux.
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but I've spent about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without needing a burn/re-rip.
Ain't gonna happen. Linux and gstreamer is *open source*, which means anybody who want can hack their own perfect-digital-copying-of-audio thingy in below itunes. oops.
What would probably be a better idea, is to come up with a free DRM codec (shrug) - probably something that could "wrap" around for instance theorea.
It could be public/private key-based - and those "max hops" (max computer's you are allowed to use it on) could be provided by the hostkeys (as used by ssh etc.)
Problem again is that it would be easy "hackable" because of its open-source nature, and therefore not likely to be adopted by the industry. This is exactly why m$ (etc) wants "secure (for the media) computing" - to shackle formats...
And yes, Apple will have to follow if they want any business with DRM. (i.e. if they want to do any business with the recording/film/etc industry). What that would do to the (if i am not completely wrong) (today) free darwin kernel, i dont want to think about.
On Mon, Nov 29, 2004 at 06:19:36PM +0000, Michael A. Peters wrote:
I like the iTMS music store, I'm not a huge customer, but I've spent about $200 there since the Windows launch, and I would buy more if I could play the songs in Linux (the OS I use 95+% of the time) without needing a burn/re-rip.
There's always folks like magnatune.com who do provide unencumbered ogg and have some interesting stuff.
sön 2004-11-28 klockan 20:56 -0400 skrev Steven Garrity:
Not sure what the Helix player is doing in here - works well, but seems redundant with Totem/Rhythmbox. Perhaps it's in here because of RealNetworks/Redhat agreements?
It's got a browser plugin just like RealPlayer, but of course there's not much content available for it.
Hopefully, some day there will be Vorbis and Theora plugins available as automatic updates in RealPlayer for Windows. Then maybe web sites will start streaming using those formats so that the current support in FC3 becomes useful.
/abo
On Sun, 2004-11-28 at 19:43 -0400, Steven Garrity wrote:
seth vidal wrote:
I only wish rhythmbox could play a song w/o having to import it into the library, first.
Sometimes I just want to play a song, or a set of songs. Rhythmbox does a lot of things well, but it doesn't have a 'play this one song' mode.
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think). I guess it's the inherent split between using files/directories as your music management vs. using an internal database (with genres, artists, and albums).
File bugs ;-) http://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=156181
Cheers, ~ Bryan
Hi.
Steven Garrity stevelist@silverorange.com wrote:
I second that - iTunes suffers from the same problem (I think).
iTunes defaults to this behaviour, but it can be disabled.
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