I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why? - There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels - It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated - Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs: - hwbrowser - fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
Bill
On 11/10/2009 01:58 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
I filed a bug report against these programs a while back to move away from Kudzu. Neither of these programs themselves seem to be actively maintained anymore.
Rahul
On 2009/11/09 3:28 PM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/10/2009 01:58 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
I filed a bug report against these programs a while back to move away from Kudzu. Neither of these programs themselves seem to be actively maintained anymore.
Rahul
I originally wrote it to aid users edit their fstab to get partitions automounted at boot, but for the past few Fedora releases that can be done right from Gnome/KDE so as a result I haven't given fwfstab much attention.
I will update it eventually to DeviceKit, but I can't invest the time at the moment. Would it be possible to have it temporarily removed from the repos?
Thanks, Stewart
On 11/11/2009 12:07 PM, Stewart Adam wrote:
I will update it eventually to DeviceKit, but I can't invest the time at the moment. Would it be possible to have it temporarily removed from the repos?
If it works as it is, you can take over kudzu for the time being and continue with it till the time that you can move over to a replacement.
Rahul
On 11/11/2009 04:51 AM, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/11/2009 12:07 PM, Stewart Adam wrote:
I will update it eventually to DeviceKit, but I can't invest the time at the moment. Would it be possible to have it temporarily removed from the repos?
If it works as it is, you can take over kudzu for the time being and continue with it till the time that you can move over to a replacement.
Really, temporarily removing this is more desirable than merely passing maintainership of kudzu around. Kudzu needs to actually go away.
On Mon, Nov 16, 2009 at 10:58:24AM -0500, Peter Jones wrote:
Really, temporarily removing this is more desirable than merely passing maintainership of kudzu around. Kudzu needs to actually go away.
Yay!
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 01:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/10/2009 01:58 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
I filed a bug report against these programs a while back to move away from Kudzu. Neither of these programs themselves seem to be actively maintained anymore.
The move from kudzu over udev to hal and via DeviceKit back to (lib)udev wasn't something I wanted to follow while it was still moving ;-). In the hope that using libudev is here to stay, I can now reimplement hwbrowser on top of it -- I don't think porting the old code is a good idea, as it wasn't written with hot-pluggable hardware in mind.
Nils
On Wed, 2009-11-11 at 14:03 +0100, Nils Philippsen wrote:
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 01:58 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/10/2009 01:58 AM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
I filed a bug report against these programs a while back to move away from Kudzu. Neither of these programs themselves seem to be actively maintained anymore.
The move from kudzu over udev to hal and via DeviceKit back to (lib)udev wasn't something I wanted to follow while it was still moving ;-). In the hope that using libudev is here to stay, I can now reimplement hwbrowser on top of it -- I don't think porting the old code is a good idea, as it wasn't written with hot-pluggable hardware in mind.
I noticed recently that suse have a patch to add a 'Hardware' tab to gnome-system-monitor. I haven't looked deeper, so I don't know if it is any good. But it might be worth checking out.
On Mon, Nov 9, 2009 at 1:28 PM, Bill Nottingham notting@redhat.com wrote:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been
frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
What Red Hat filed Chapter 13? Crap I needed that paycheck next week.
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
So what replaces kudzu these days. I will say for one that I will miss it.. almost enough to take over it...
On Mon, November 9, 2009 1:28 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
Okay, I really can't keep up with Linux development these days. What has replaced HAL?
On 11/10/2009 08:43 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On Mon, November 9, 2009 1:28 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
Okay, I really can't keep up with Linux development these days. What has replaced HAL?
It hasn't yet but DeviceKit will over a period of time.
Rahul
On Tue, 10.11.09 08:45, Rahul Sundaram (sundaram@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On 11/10/2009 08:43 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On Mon, November 9, 2009 1:28 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
Okay, I really can't keep up with Linux development these days. What has replaced HAL?
It hasn't yet but DeviceKit will over a period of time.
There is no such thing as "DeviceKit" (anymore), there are only two independant projects DeviceKit-power and DeviceKit-disks. Most other things the old HAL did have been migrated into various other packages, such as udev/libudev and more.
The Ubuntu folks have a nice overview of what moved where and how things were updated:
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Halsectomy
Lennart
On 11/10/2009 08:55 AM, Lennart Poettering wrote:
On Tue, 10.11.09 08:45, Rahul Sundaram (sundaram@fedoraproject.org) wrote:
On 11/10/2009 08:43 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On Mon, November 9, 2009 1:28 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
Okay, I really can't keep up with Linux development these days. What has replaced HAL?
It hasn't yet but DeviceKit will over a period of time.
There is no such thing as "DeviceKit" (anymore), there are only two independant projects DeviceKit-power and DeviceKit-disks.
Yes, I am aware. I assumed the umbrella effort is still called DeviceKit. I guess not.
Rahul
On Tue, 2009-11-10 at 08:45 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
On 11/10/2009 08:43 AM, Orion Poplawski wrote:
On Mon, November 9, 2009 1:28 pm, Bill Nottingham wrote:
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
Okay, I really can't keep up with Linux development these days. What has replaced HAL?
It hasn't yet but DeviceKit will over a period of time.
You can't keep up either :-)
There is no DeviceKit package anymore; the central role has been taken over by udev, mostly. And then there are subsystem-specific services, like DeviceKit-disks, DeviceKit-power, NetworkManager, etc.
On Mon, 2009-11-09 at 15:28 -0500, Bill Nottingham wrote:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
It appears that system-config-network 's dependency on kudzu may have been incorrectly dropped:
https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-test-list/2009-November/msg00456.html
without it, s-c-n cannot handle modem connections, it looks like.
Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
I just noticed I hadn't actually done this yet. I've retired it for F-14/rawhide; it can remain in F-13, although it's unlikely to see any useful updates there.
Bill
On Tue, 2010-04-13 at 16:45 -0400, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
If someone wants to keep it limping along for thsese two programs I can orphan it. But I'd really rather just retire it.
I just noticed I hadn't actually done this yet. I've retired it for F-14/rawhide; it can remain in F-13, although it's unlikely to see any useful updates there.
I've retired hwbrowser in Rawhide/F-13 as well, it doesn't make sense to keep it around as it can't handle much of the the new hardware, i.e. anything kudzu doesn't know.
Nils
On 2010/04/13 4:45 PM, Bill Nottingham wrote:
Bill Nottingham (notting@redhat.com) said:
I'd like to retire kudzu for F-13.
Why?
- There are places where it almost certainly does not work with current kernels
- It's so deprecated that one of its replacements (HAL) has since been frozen and deprecated
- Given that, its upstream is very dead
However, it is still being required by two programs:
- hwbrowser
- fwfstab
I just noticed I hadn't actually done this yet. I've retired it for F-14/rawhide; it can remain in F-13, although it's unlikely to see any useful updates there.
I've rewritten a good part of fwfstab so it no longer depends on kudzu for disk detection. I'll update rawhide to the RC later today.
Stewart
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