gnome-disk-utility default in admin-tools

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 07.02.2011, 19:49 +0000 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
>  commit f2cb3971ffb2a53b9f0fdc536cdcc4f9c3a87876
>  Author: Bill Nottingham <notting(a)redhat.com&gt;
>  Date:   Fri Jan 28 16:24:54 2011 -0500
>  
>      Move system-config-* tools from base-x to appropriate desktops.
>      
>      In Admin tools, make s-c-network optional, and swap gnome-disk-utility for s-c-lvm.
>  
>  diff --git a/comps-f15.xml.in b/comps-f15.xml.in
>  index ff1fd16..f2c92a8 100644
>  --- a/comps-f15.xml.in
>  +++ b/comps-f15.xml.in
>  @@ -9,14 +9,13 @@
>       <uservisible>true</uservisible>
>       <packagelist>
>         <packagereq type="default">authconfig-gtk</packagereq>
>  +      <packagereq type="default">gnome-disk-utility</packagereq>
>         <packagereq type="default">gnome-packagekit</packagereq>
>         <packagereq type="default">system-config-boot</packagereq>
Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists
because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before*
making this change.

While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like
'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic.

Regards,
Christoph

[Bill Nottingham]

Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the
> lists
>  because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before*
>  making this change. 
I did. To the list and directly to your @fedoraproject.org inbox.

HTH, HAND.

Bill

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:56 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
>  Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  > Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists
>  > because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before*
>  > making this change.
>  
>  I did. To the list and directly to your @fedoraproject.org inbox. 
Indeed, I got a mail, but you didn't mention admin-tools and claimed to
"remove this cruft from the base-x group, and place it, where relevant,
in the appropriate desktop groups."

In fact what you did is quite the opposite, at least for
gnome-disk-utility: You moved it into a common group and made it
default. You should have mentioned that explicitly because it is not
obvious from the patches as they don't give enough context.

Regards,
Christoph

[Bill Nottingham]

Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  Indeed, I got a mail, but you didn't mention admin-tools and
> claimed to
>  "remove this cruft from the base-x group, and place it, where relevant,
>  in the appropriate desktop groups."
>
>  In fact what you did is quite the opposite, at least for
>  gnome-disk-utility: You moved it into a common group and made it
>  default. You should have mentioned that explicitly because it is not
>  obvious from the patches as they don't give enough context. 
???

The *attached patchset* in that mail clearly says:

...
    Move system-config-* tools from base-x to appropriate desktops.
    
    In Admin tools, make s-c-network optional, and swap gnome-disk-utility
for s-c-lvm.
...

Not sure how you get 'moved it' out of that, or that it wasn't 'mentioned
explicitly'.

system-config-lvm was default in admin-tools, as a storage configuration
tool. However, it's not maintained except for critical fixes, and is
not getting any new feature development. gnome-disk-utility *is*
maintained, and is getting new features; it's already a much more generally
useful tool than s-c-lvm ever was, and will get more LVM bits as the
LVM integration in udev gets further along.

>  I think it is already useful, but first of all I prefer to not have
> any
>  of them installed by default. 
Then your kickstart probably shouldn't be including @admin-tools to begin
with; that seems a much simpler answer.

Bill

[Bill Nottingham]

Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups
> like
>  'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic. 
g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm. If you'd prefer to
use s-c-lvm, I'd suggest working with the upstream maintainer to make
it more useful.

Bill

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Montag, den 28.02.2011, 15:59 -0500 schrieb Bill Nottingham:
>  Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  > While we are at it: I'd like to suggest that non-desktop groups like
>  > 'admin-tools' should be desktop-agnostic.
>  
>  g-d-u is the maintained replacement for s-c-lvm.  
It doesn't do resizing, snapshots, or mirroring of LVM, so how can it
replace s-c-lvm?

>  If you'd prefer to
>  use s-c-lvm, I'd suggest working with the upstream maintainer to make
>  it more useful. 
I think it is already useful, but first of all I prefer to not have any
of them installed by default.

Regards,
Christoph

[Kevin Kofler]

Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the
> lists
>  because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before*
>  making this change. 
FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in, this is being 
addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 
(on which I CCed you already).

        Kevin Kofler

[Christoph Wickert]

Am Dienstag, den 01.03.2011, 18:25 +0100 schrieb Kevin Kofler:
>  Christoph Wickert wrote:
>  > Next time you a change like this one, please announce it to the lists
>  > because it has a large impact on the spins. Even better: Ask *before*
>  > making this change.
>  
>  FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in, this is being 
>  addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 
>  (on which I CCed you already). 
I know, but it's not only nautilus but also other GNOME deps.

Regards,
Christoph

[Bill Nottingham]

Christoph Wickert (christoph.wickert(a)googlemail.com) said: 
>  > FYI, if your complaint is about Nautilus getting dragged in,
> this is being 
>  > addressed already, see https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=678909 
>  > (on which I CCed you already).
>  
>  I know, but it's not only nautilus but also other GNOME deps. 
With updates-testing and 1 currently pending update, on top of a @core install:

system-config-lvm:
Install      91 Package(s)

Total download size: 23 M
Installed size: 83 M

gnome-disk-utility:
Install      82 Package(s)

Total download size: 17 M
Installed size: 59 M

Obviously, there may be different overlaps in those set with whatever your
base working set might be, but...

Bill