9:53 a.m.
Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
and then we can go from there
Jeremy
10:17 a.m.
On Tue, Aug 12, 2008 at 3:53 PM, Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a
fair
bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
and then we can go from there
Sounds good to me. I've been looking to do something like this for a
while with the aim to have a base small profile of packages that meet
a minimum requirement for a series of used like you mentioned and then
have groups of packages (not sure exactly how this would work whether
it can be defined as a install group or through the use of a kickstart
file) that can be added to the top to get a OLPC, NetBook, Hildon or
whatever image. This way the working being done towards a small, low
power image with packages without massive dependencies could be pooled
together in one central place to reduce workload. Will have a look at
your wiki page and add some stuff as appropriate.
Cheers,
Peter
10:50 a.m.
Jeremy Katz wrote:
Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a
fair
bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I've done a few different draft images for the Asus EeePC model 900 that can be
put on a USB pen drive then booted and optionally installed. I used
livecd-tools to build them.
Gnome Image (600M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
Text only (199M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-minimal-200808102048.ext2
Minimal GUI openbox (300M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
I've done a number of other images floating around as well, and I have a super
rad one waiting in the wings hahaha.
These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The kernel (-libre +
-rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only* free software.
This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on -libre and -rt plus
various other patches.
If you are interested in this I can keep you updated when I do new images (like
every few days right now).
-Jeff
11 a.m.
Quoth jeff:
Jeremy Katz wrote:
> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I've done a few different draft images for the Asus EeePC model 900 that can
be
put on a USB pen drive then booted and optionally installed. I used
livecd-tools to build them.
Gnome Image (600M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
Text only (199M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-minimal-200808102048.ext2
Minimal GUI openbox (300M):
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
I've done a number of other images floating around as well, and I have a
super
rad one waiting in the wings hahaha.
These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The kernel (-libre +
-rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only* free software.
This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on -libre and -rt plus
various other patches.
If you are interested in this I can keep you updated when I do new images
(like
every few days right now).
-Jeff
Perhaps you meant to post different links for the Openbox and GNOME images?
They look the same to me.
Regards,
--
Conrad Meyer <konrad(a)tylerc.org>
11:07 a.m.
Conrad Meyer wrote:
Quoth jeff:
> Jeremy Katz wrote:
>> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
>> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
>> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
> I've done a few different draft images for the Asus EeePC model 900 that can
be
> put on a USB pen drive then booted and optionally installed. I used
> livecd-tools to build them.
>
> Gnome Image (600M):
> http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
>
> Text only (199M):
> http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-minimal-200808102048.ext2
>
> Minimal GUI openbox (300M):
> http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-200808080001.ext2
>
> I've done a number of other images floating around as well, and I have a
super
> rad one waiting in the wings hahaha.
>
>
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The kernel (-libre +
> -rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only* free software.
> This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on -libre and -rt plus
> various other patches.
>
> If you are interested in this I can keep you updated when I do new images
(like
> every few days right now).
>
> -Jeff
Perhaps you meant to post different links for the Openbox and GNOME images?
They look the same to me.
Whoops, you're right, thx.
Openbox (iirc!)
http://www.freeeee.org/images/FREEEEE-minimal-gui-200808102140.ext2
-Jeff
1:52 p.m.
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:50 -0300, jeff wrote:
Jeremy Katz wrote:
> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I've done a few different draft images for the Asus EeePC model 900 that can be
put on a USB pen drive then booted and optionally installed. I used
livecd-tools to build them.
My goal is that we should be able to run on the systems with stock
Fedora. Having to do a special spin limits users who get given cds, etc
at trade shows or the like.
These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The kernel
(-libre +
-rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only* free software.
This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on -libre and -rt plus
various other patches.
Luckily, wifi should be in for 2.6.27, although I need to actually try a
newer image on my ar2425 based box. I'll probably do that when I get
home (since that's where it is)
Jeremy
2:51 p.m.
Jeremy Katz wrote:
On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:50 -0300, jeff wrote:
> Jeremy Katz wrote:
>> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
>> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
>> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
> I've done a few different draft images for the Asus EeePC model 900 that can be
> put on a USB pen drive then booted and optionally installed. I used
> livecd-tools to build them.
My goal is that we should be able to run on the systems with stock
Fedora. Having to do a special spin limits users who get given cds, etc
at trade shows or the like.
For the eee 701/900 i think just about everything is supported in stock
f9-updates kernel except wifi. On the 900 with 1 gig of RAM something as large
as gnome runs well, but something more lightweight is preferable of course.
Once the ath5k driver is there, using NetworkManager is a treat and *really*
"just works".
The install requires a USB cdrom or converting a livecd image. I'm doing a
somewhat inefficient process of `livecd-creator` --> livecd-iso-to-disk.sh
(using git version that can write to /dev/loop) --> `dd` the image onto a USB
pendrive then run the anaconda installer from there in livecd mode.
A better way to install on them would be great, I'm just not sure what that is
yet.
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The
kernel (-libre +
> -rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only* free software.
> This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on -libre and -rt plus
> various other patches.
Luckily, wifi should be in for 2.6.27, although I need to actually try a
newer image on my ar2425 based box. I'll probably do that when I get
home (since that's where it is)
ar2425 support is in 2.6.27, but I haven't seen the extra patches that are
needed for the eee 701/900 (ath5k) arrive there yet. mickflemms' patchset-8
applies without too much hassle.
http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/mickflemm/patch-series-8.ta...
The Eee 901 and 1000 use a different wifi chip. I haven't seen anything support
it other than this from ralink:
http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0708_RT2860_Linux_STA_v1.7...
There is a small blob in there, but it doesn't appear to actually get loaded so
it may not be needed. I haven't heard of any patches for this heading
upstream yet.
Thanks,
-Jeff
5:25 p.m.
jeff wrote:
The Eee 901 and 1000 use a different wifi chip. I haven't seen anything
support it other than this from ralink:
http://www.ralinktech.com.tw/data/drivers/2008_0708_RT2860_Linux_STA_v1.7...
There is a small blob in there, but it doesn't appear to actually get
loaded so it may not be needed. I haven't heard of any patches for this
heading upstream yet.
I have a EEEPC 901. Mostly using it for thin client development where
it is proving to be extremely useful, but it would be nice to get 100%
Fedora running on this in portable mode.
http://fedoraforum.org/forum/showthread.php?t=195429
There is some discussion here of some patch to make it build and work on
Fedora.
I hear vague mention that somebody is working on something to get this
chipset supported upstream but I have no idea where or who.
Warren Togami
wtogami(a)redhat.com
9:20 a.m.
On Tuesday 12 August 2008 15:51:51 jeff wrote:
Jeremy Katz wrote:
> On Tue, 2008-08-12 at 12:50 -0300, jeff wrote:
>> Jeremy Katz wrote:
>>> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a fair
>>> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
>>> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
My own Acer Aspire One arrived two days ago. Its got rawhide on it now.
Needless to say, we don't boot quite as fast as the stock Linpus Linux Lite,
but I definitely prefer a full-fledged Fedora install.
For the eee 701/900 i think just about everything is supported in
stock
f9-updates kernel except wifi. On the 900 with 1 gig of RAM something as
large as gnome runs well, but something more lightweight is preferable of
course. Once the ath5k driver is there, using NetworkManager is a treat and
*really* "just works".
[...]
> Luckily, wifi should be in for 2.6.27, although I need to
actually try a
> newer image on my ar2425 based box. I'll probably do that when I get
> home (since that's where it is)
ar2425 support is in 2.6.27, but I haven't seen the extra patches that are
needed for the eee 701/900 (ath5k) arrive there yet. mickflemms' patchset-8
applies without too much hassle.
The AR2425 in the AAO works quite nicely with current rawhide kernels. I've
been able to connect it to both WPA2- and WEP-protected base stations just
fine. That said, I think I'm still going to yank it out in favor of a spare
iwl5350 I have laying about when I crack the thing open to put more memory in
tonight.
The only things I've noticed that are a bit quirky are some video artifacts
when running an external monitor and some dmesg spew about interrupts from the
jmb38x_ms driver when using SD cards (haven't tried any other type), but both
do still function.
Suspend and resume works w/o a hitch as well.
--
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jarod(a)redhat.com
6:08 p.m.
Rex Dieter wrote:
jeff wrote:
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9.
I'd personally much prefer if the blag folks work more closely to get such changes
into fedora directly. Anyone aware of blockers preventing this?
I am teh blag.
Occasionally I file bug reports and help out in #fedora. Whenever I do a .spec
I mail it upstream for them to include as well. The BLAG packages should
generally rebuild fine in fedora's mock, but I don't think the .specs are quite
up to your packaging guidelines, haha. And the last "big" project I worked on
lead to a bit, um, well...
I'm not sure that fedora would want all the blag/freeeee changes or not, but it
may give the project some food for thought, especially the forthcoming freeeee
draft which I should have ready this week. Installing 30+ packages with yum,
playing video with the camera, mplaying another video, editing files etc,
encoding 270 meg song to ogg, pidgin, firefox, etc. all running simultaneously
while playing a song with *zero* stutters or dropouts on a teeny little
computer. That rules. But doing that requires jack-audio-connection-kit, which
I don't think fedora would use as a base--this shows what is possible
*out-of-the-box* at least.... (with 100% F___ S_______...)
Various SRPMS here:
ftp://ftp.blagblagblag.org/pub/BLAG/linux/90000/en/os/source/SRPMS.blag/
and here:
http://www.freeeee.org/source/SRPMS.FREEEEE/
Oh, I also did a crufty offline version of wikipedia with a reader formatted
for the 1024x600 screen of the eee 900 (and 901/1000, but i dont have those
yet). It is based on the kiwix project.
http://www.freeeee.org/i386/RPMS.FREEEEE/freeeee-encyclopedia-en-0.0.1-1....
http://www.freeeee.org/i386/RPMS.FREEEEE/freeeee-encyclopedia-reader-0.0....
Ciao,
-Jeff
1:17 p.m.
Rex Dieter wrote:
jeff wrote:
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9.
I'd personally much prefer if the blag folks work more closely to get such changes
into fedora directly. Anyone aware of blockers preventing this?
#459455
I submitted a first package to get rolling with the whole process of
sponsorship and such. The maintainer of icecast wants me to co-maintain it, but
I can't do that until I get approved with the above package. I then have a
number of other .specs I can clean up and submit.
Thx,
-Jeff
1:23 p.m.
jeff wrote:
Rex Dieter wrote:
> jeff wrote:
>
>
>> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9.
>
> I'd personally much prefer if the blag folks work more closely to get
> such changes into fedora directly. Anyone aware of blockers
> preventing this?
#459455
I submitted a first package to get rolling with the whole process of
sponsorship and such. The maintainer of icecast wants me to co-maintain
it, but I can't do that until I get approved with the above package. I
then have a number of other .specs I can clean up and submit.
Follow
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/HowToGetSponsored
Rahul
1:44 p.m.
Rahul Sundaram wrote:
jeff wrote:
> Rex Dieter wrote:
>> jeff wrote:
>>
>>
>>> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9.
>>
>> I'd personally much prefer if the blag folks work more closely to get
>> such changes into fedora directly. Anyone aware of blockers
>> preventing this?
>
> #459455
>
> I submitted a first package to get rolling with the whole process of
> sponsorship and such. The maintainer of icecast wants me to
> co-maintain it, but I can't do that until I get approved with the
> above package. I then have a number of other .specs I can clean up and
> submit.
Follow
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/HowToGetSponsored
Hmm, did I miss something? I kind of thought I had followed that (and various
other wiki pages): FE-NEEDSPONSOR :)
Thx,
-Jeff
2:51 p.m.
jeff wrote:
>
> http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/PackageMaintainers/HowToGetSponsored
Hmm, did I miss something? I kind of thought I had followed that (and
various other wiki pages): FE-NEEDSPONSOR :)
Submit more packages or review packages waiting on queue. It helps in
getting sponsored.
Rahul
5:53 p.m.
These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The kernel
(-libre + -rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only*
free software. This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on
-libre and -rt plus various other patches.
I recall a webcam on some of these devices (the eePCs, the Acers etc)
- does it work without blobs?
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6:09 p.m.
Harish Pillay wrote:
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The
kernel
> (-libre + -rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only*
> free software. This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on
> -libre and -rt plus various other patches.
I recall a webcam on some of these devices (the eePCs, the Acers etc)
- does it work without blobs?
Yes. uvcvideo driver used for 701/900 is blobless, AFAIK. I'm not sure about
the 901/1000 models or the Acers.
-Jeff
6:28 p.m.
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 06:53 +0800, Harish Pillay wrote:
> These are based on BLAG 90k which is based on Fedora 9. The
kernel
> (-libre + -rt) supports all hardware on the EeePC 701/900 using *only*
> free software. This includes wifi with the ath5k driver. It is based on
> -libre and -rt plus various other patches.
I recall a webcam on some of these devices (the eePCs, the Acers etc)
- does it work without blobs?
The acer also uses uvcvideo without any firmware
Jeremy
2:58 a.m.
Hi,
definitely nice idea to establish new SIG because small factor computers needs something
else than standard laptops/workstations. I think it's not about hardware support. Yes,
we need hardware support, but still drivers are only drivers and support of newer hardware
is necessary for "notspinned" Fedora too. What is really interesting on these
devices and especially what is the genial idea is UI. I like default Xandros on EEE
because it's really easy to use it. Nice combination of "big" computer with
PDA. Even my mum is able to use EEE without any problems. This is first computer aimed to
PEOPLE! If you want to watch your TV, you are not clicking on some
"start/gnome/kde" menu, locating TV station, confirming bunch of dialogs. You
just turn on the TV! So without some user interface it's just smaller computer,
nothing more, nothing less. It's shame from Asus to sell EEE with basic XP
installation (and there is already EEE UI for Windows...).
So if we want to make small factor computers spin, the right way is definitely to develop
something more than just only basic hardware support that should go to standard Fedora
repos...
R.
----- "Jeremy Katz" <katzj(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a
fair
bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with
the
idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose
of
making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve
both
the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora
of
today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some
of
the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this
week
or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that
I
think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs,
MIDs,
maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can
edit
and then we can go from there
Jeremy
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7:07 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 1:28 PM, Jaroslav Reznik <jreznik(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Hi,
definitely nice idea to establish new SIG because small factor computers needs something
else than standard laptops/workstations. I think it's not about hardware support. Yes,
we need hardware support, but still drivers are only drivers and support of newer hardware
is necessary for "notspinned" Fedora too. What is really interesting on these
devices and especially what is the genial idea is UI. I like default Xandros on EEE
because it's really easy to use it. Nice combination of "big" computer with
PDA. Even my mum is able to use EEE without any problems. This is first computer aimed to
PEOPLE! If you want to watch your TV, you are not clicking on some
"start/gnome/kde" menu, locating TV station, confirming bunch of dialogs. You
just turn on the TV! So without some user interface it's just smaller computer,
nothing more, nothing less. It's shame from Asus to sell EEE with basic XP
installation (and there is already EEE UI for Windows...).
So if we want to make small factor computers spin, the right way is definitely to develop
something more than just only basic hardware support that should go to standard Fedora
repos...
I also suggest starting a SIG is right way to go, and I do support you
got it right, its not just about hardware support alone.
Looks we need to explore more usable UI's for small devices, also apps
that are more adaptive to small screens. Looks lot of work is done by
Maemo & Moblin in those areas, should we be pulling some from there ?
at-least long as those are FOSS bits.
Just in case I've been experimenting with RPM packaging these days
here are some of experimental packages that might interest you -
http://kevinverma.fedorapeople.org/packages/ I am still improving
them, and playing around with some more.
~kevin
7:12 a.m.
> definitely nice idea to establish new SIG because small factor
computers needs something else than standard laptops/workstations. I think it's not
about hardware support. Yes, we need hardware support, but still drivers are only drivers
and support of newer hardware is necessary for "notspinned" Fedora too. What is
really interesting on these devices and especially what is the genial idea is UI. I like
default Xandros on EEE because it's really easy to use it. Nice combination of
"big" computer with PDA. Even my mum is able to use EEE without any problems.
This is first computer aimed to PEOPLE! If you want to watch your TV, you are not clicking
on some "start/gnome/kde" menu, locating TV station, confirming bunch of
dialogs. You just turn on the TV! So without some user interface it's just smaller
computer, nothing more, nothing less. It's shame from Asus to sell EEE with basic XP
installation (and there is already EEE UI for Windows...).
> So if we want to make small factor computers spin, the right way is definitely to
develop something more than just only basic hardware support that should go to standard
Fedora repos...
I also suggest starting a SIG is right way to go, and I do support you
got it right, its not just about hardware support alone.
Looks we need to explore more usable UI's for small devices, also apps
that are more adaptive to small screens. Looks lot of work is done by
Maemo & Moblin in those areas, should we be pulling some from there ?
at-least long as those are FOSS bits.
Intel looking to be using Fedora for Moblin. See the thread here from
last month https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-devel-list/2008-July/msg01381.html
BTW speaking of which was there a final outcome from someone speaking
with Intel @ OSCON?
Cheers,
Peter
7:19 a.m.
----- "Kevin Verma" <kevinverma(a)gmail.com> wrote:
I also suggest starting a SIG is right way to go, and I do support
you
got it right, its not just about hardware support alone.
Looks we need to explore more usable UI's for small devices, also
apps
that are more adaptive to small screens. Looks lot of work is done by
Maemo & Moblin in those areas, should we be pulling some from there ?
at-least long as those are FOSS bits.
There is also Ubuntu Mobile Internet Device (MID) Edition
(http://www.ubuntu.com/products/mobile) (I think) based on Hildon framework
(http://live.gnome.org/Hildon).
Just in case I've been experimenting with RPM packaging these
days
here are some of experimental packages that might interest you -
http://kevinverma.fedorapeople.org/packages/ I am still improving
them, and playing around with some more.
~kevin
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8:23 a.m.
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 03:58 -0400, Jaroslav Reznik wrote:
definitely nice idea to establish new SIG because small factor
computers needs something else than standard laptops/workstations. I think it's not
about hardware support. Yes, we need hardware support, but still drivers are only drivers
and support of newer hardware is necessary for "notspinned" Fedora too. What is
really interesting on these devices and especially what is the genial idea is UI. I like
default Xandros on EEE because it's really easy to use it. Nice combination of
"big" computer with PDA. Even my mum is able to use EEE without any problems.
This is first computer aimed to PEOPLE! If you want to watch your TV, you are not clicking
on some "start/gnome/kde" menu, locating TV station, confirming bunch of
dialogs. You just turn on the TV! So without some user interface it's just smaller
computer, nothing more, nothing less. It's shame from Asus to sell EEE with basic XP
installation (and there is already EEE UI for Windows...).
So if we want to make small factor computers spin, the right way is definitely to develop
something more than just only basic hardware support that should go to standard Fedora
repos...
There's definitely a lot more that can be done, no question. But given
timing of Fedora 10, I suspect that hardware support is going to be the
best short-term thing.
As far as UI changes -- there's lots of options out there. As
mentioned, there's the hildon/maemo stuff as well as a number of more
"custom" UI options being done on some of the preloads. But I think
that perhaps the more interesting thing is actually to get Sugar up and
running -- the XO has a number of similar hardware-related constraints
and it also provides a nice UI for people. But I think it's a bit more
of an F11 discussion to really sort of settle on something and have a
full-fledged spin
Jeremy
11:28 a.m.
On Wed, Aug 13, 2008 at 5:23 AM, Jeremy Katz <katzj(a)redhat.com> wrote:
As far as UI changes -- there's lots of options out there. As
mentioned, there's the hildon/maemo stuff as well as a number of more
"custom" UI options being done on some of the preloads. But I think
that perhaps the more interesting thing is actually to get Sugar up and
running -- the XO has a number of similar hardware-related constraints
and it also provides a nice UI for people. But I think it's a bit more
of an F11 discussion to really sort of settle on something and have a
full-fledged spin
Didn't greg blog about building a functional Fedora for the XO hardware
recently? Did that gain traction in our OLPC SIG and are people already
working on it?
-jef
11:48 a.m.
On Wed, 2008-08-13 at 08:28 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
Didn't greg blog about building a functional Fedora for the XO
hardware recently? Did that gain traction in our OLPC SIG and are
people already working on it?
There's some overlap, but not entirely. The idea there is to get a more
"stock" Fedora running on the XO with something like a standard GNOME
desktop.
Ultimately, if there's a special spin to come out for these smaller
machines, I would prefer it if it also works on the XO. And I'm doing
some work on helping to make that happen as well
Jeremy
8:16 a.m.
Jeremy Katz wrote:
I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the
purpose of
making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
I just received my own, played a bit with F9 and F10 Alpha live images
and right now F10 Alpha is installing to the hard drive.
If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later
this week
or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
and then we can go from there
Since I am not a developer, is any use in adding myself to that list?
What I can do is probably some testing. And maybe some link with the art
team, like optimised wallpapers (in F9 we introduced a 800x480 one for Eee).
Note: my interest is to run an out-of-the-box Desktop install (GNOME,
two panels layout, Nodoka, Echo etc.)
--
nicu :: http://nicubunu.ro :: http://nicubunu.blogspot.com
Cool Fedora wallpapers: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro/wallpapers/
Open Clip Art Library: http://www.openclipart.org
my Fedora stuff: http://fedora.nicubunu.ro
9:44 a.m.
Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten a
fair
bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
(http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
and then we can go from there
What is the status of this SIG? I presume there's enough interest, and
that the hold up is more than likely the infrastructure issues. Is
there a planned name for the SIG? I would suggest something quite
general like "Fedora Mini SIG" rather than something that has netbook
in the name.
Peter
9:56 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 29.08.2008, 15:44 +0100 schrieb Peter Robinson:
> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten
a fair
> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
>
> I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
> making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
> streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
> the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
> today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
> the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
>
> If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
> or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
> bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
> think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
> maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
> and then we can go from there
What is the status of this SIG? I presume there's enough interest, and
that the hold up is more than likely the infrastructure issues. Is
there a planned name for the SIG? I would suggest something quite
general like "Fedora Mini SIG" rather than something that has netbook
in the name.
Peter
(Not answering your question, but more a general reply)
I'm not taking part in the SIG, but I am logging all the bugs I can find
in bugzilla with the prefix "msi wind u100". Quite a few things seem to
be working now that were initially broken or flakey:
* The intel video driver works now
* The ethernet card works now
* Suspend to ram kind of works not (but not more than once)
* Suspend to disk works pretty much
The only real brokenness left in Fedora (apparently not in Ubuntu, but I
haven't tested) is wireless networking - definitely not the thing you
want broken on these :)
10:33 a.m.
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 16:56 +0200, nodata wrote:
I'm not taking part in the SIG, but I am logging all the bugs I
can find
in bugzilla with the prefix "msi wind u100". Quite a few things seem to
be working now that were initially broken or flakey:
[snip]
The only real brokenness left in Fedora (apparently not in Ubuntu,
but I
haven't tested) is wireless networking - definitely not the thing you
want broken on these :)
Which wireless chip does it use?
Jeremy
10:43 a.m.
Am Freitag, den 29.08.2008, 11:33 -0400 schrieb Jeremy Katz:
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 16:56 +0200, nodata wrote:
> I'm not taking part in the SIG, but I am logging all the bugs I can find
> in bugzilla with the prefix "msi wind u100". Quite a few things seem to
> be working now that were initially broken or flakey:
[snip]
> The only real brokenness left in Fedora (apparently not in Ubuntu, but I
> haven't tested) is wireless networking - definitely not the thing you
> want broken on these :)
Which wireless chip does it use?
Jeremy
realtek rtl8199 (aka rtl8187), which isn't upstream
realtek have reported released an open source module that works (not
tested it yet).
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=459439
comment 2 might be useful
10:36 a.m.
On Fri, 2008-08-29 at 15:44 +0100, Peter Robinson wrote:
> Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have gotten
a fair
> bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
> idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
>
> I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
> making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
> streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve both
> the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
> today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
> the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
>
> If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
> or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
> bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
> think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
> maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
> (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
> and then we can go from there
What is the status of this SIG? I presume there's enough interest, and
that the hold up is more than likely the infrastructure issues. Is
there a planned name for the SIG? I would suggest something quite
general like "Fedora Mini SIG" rather than something that has netbook
in the name.
I like "mini" -- it has some nostalgia factor. We can just start
referring to them as mini-computers and watch people's heads explode :-)
And yeah, hold up is the infrastructure issues took a lot of my time and
then I went on vacation and then I've been just catching up with having
been on vacation. Timing looks like it's going to be a bit of a bear
but I'll pick a time that looks like it'll be as good as possible and
send out a mail with that later this afternoon
Jeremy
11:07 a.m.
> > Smaller form-factor machines such as the Asus eeePC have
gotten a fair
> > bit of the tech press spotlight of late. Have you bought one with the
> > idea of running Fedora on it? Or have you thought about doing so?
> >
> > I'm trying to gauge the interest in starting a SIG with the purpose of
> > making distribution changes to make running on these devices more
> > streamlined and have more work "out of the box". This will involve
both
> > the necessary work to just get the hardware working well with Fedora of
> > today as well as possibly a spin that is explicitly targeted at some of
> > the constraints of the hardware down the line[1].
> >
> > If enough people are interested, I'd like to find a time later this week
> > or next week to have an initial meeting to kind of figure out what
> > bounds we want to tackle things in for the first pass. Hardware that I
> > think definitely falls into the scope would be: netbooks, UMPCs, MIDs,
> > maybe the XO? I've started up a page on the wiki
> > (http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/JeremyKatz/Netbooks) that people can edit
> > and then we can go from there
>
> What is the status of this SIG? I presume there's enough interest, and
> that the hold up is more than likely the infrastructure issues. Is
> there a planned name for the SIG? I would suggest something quite
> general like "Fedora Mini SIG" rather than something that has netbook
> in the name.
I like "mini" -- it has some nostalgia factor. We can just start
referring to them as mini-computers and watch people's heads explode :-)
Yea, my thoughts exactly :-)
And yeah, hold up is the infrastructure issues took a lot of my time
and
then I went on vacation and then I've been just catching up with having
been on vacation. Timing looks like it's going to be a bit of a bear
but I'll pick a time that looks like it'll be as good as possible and
send out a mail with that later this afternoon
Ping! I some how don't think your time has been any less free between
Fedora updates and then the beta, anything that can be done by me to
expedite the SIG setup?
Peter
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