mp3 encoding now ok

[Christian Schaller]

Hi,
So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.

Christian

[Denise Dumas]

Congratulations!!!
> On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller  wrote:
>
> Hi,
> So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
>
> Christian
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Jon]

From the source:

"""
On April 23, 2017, Technicolor's mp3 licensing program for certain mp3
related patents and software of Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS has
been terminated.
"""

https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/audiocodecs/mp3.html

--Jon

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Denise Dumas  wrote:
> Congratulations!!!
> > On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller  wrote:
> >
> > Hi,
> > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> >
> > Christian
> > _______________________________________________
> > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Christian Schaller]

Thanks, hadn't seen that. Ok, well I guess they do deserve some credit for owning up to 
their patents having expired. I am sure there are others out there who would keep 
claiming they still had IP in the hope of creating enough uncertainty to get at least 
some people to keep paying.

Christian

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon" 
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 2:59:32 PM
> Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
>
> From the source:
>
> """
> On April 23, 2017, Technicolor's mp3 licensing program for certain mp3
> related patents and software of Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS has
> been terminated.
> """
>
> https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/audiocodecs/mp3.html
>
> --Jon
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Denise Dumas  wrote:
> > Congratulations!!!
> > > On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller 
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > Hi,
> > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3
> > > encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We
> > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> > >
> > > Christian
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
> > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
>
> -Jon Disnard
> _______________________________________________
> devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Jon]

Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.

Where are you Spot?

Have you run this topic through RH legal?

Presumably one does not need legal sign-off when patents legally
expire, but this topic is significant.

We can now package mp3 encoding software.

That is a big thing.

--Jon

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Christian Schaller  wrote:
> Thanks, hadn't seen that. Ok, well I guess they do deserve some credit for owning up to
> their patents having expired. I am sure there are others out there who would keep
> claiming they still had IP in the hope of creating enough uncertainty to get at least
> some people to keep paying.
>
> Christian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon" 
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" 
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 2:59:32 PM
> > Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
> >
> > From the source:
> >
> > """
> > On April 23, 2017, Technicolor's mp3 licensing program for certain mp3
> > related patents and software of Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS has
> > been terminated.
> > """
> >
> > https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/audiocodecs/mp3.html
> >
> > --Jon
> >
> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Denise Dumas  wrote:
> > > Congratulations!!!
> > > > On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller 
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Hi,
> > > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3
> > > > encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We
> > > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> > > >
> > > > Christian
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
> > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Jon Disnard
> > _______________________________________________
> > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]

[Emmanuel Seyman]

* Jon [03/05/2017 15:57] :
> Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.
>
> Where are you Spot?
>
> Have you run this topic through RH legal?

Yes, it has been run through Red Hat legal channels.

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/...

Emmanuel

[Dan Book]

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Emmanuel Seyman  wrote:
> Jon [03/05/2017 15:57] :
> > Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.
> >
> > Where are you Spot?
> >
> > Have you run this topic through RH legal?
>
> Yes, it has been run through Red Hat legal channels.
>
> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/legal@lists.
> fedoraproject.org/message/34NPNTJITRHRP2FRKKYGL2YMEUU4BDYF/

That is regarding decoding software, not encoding.

[Nico Kadel-Garcia]

On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 6:34 PM, Dan Book  wrote:
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 5:31 PM, Emmanuel Seyman  wrote:
> > Jon [03/05/2017 15:57] :
> > > Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.
> > >
> > > Where are you Spot?
> > >
> > > Have you run this topic through RH legal?
> >
> > Yes, it has been run through Red Hat legal channels.
> >
> > https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/...
>
> That is regarding decoding software, not encoding.

It's a *start*.

[Christian Schaller]

Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
email thread with the laywers.

Of course on top of that the fact that they shut down the mp3licensing
operation is a pretty strong sign :)

Christian

----- Original Message -----
> From: "Jon" 
> To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" 
> Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57:18 PM
> Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
>
> Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.
>
> Where are you Spot?
>
> Have you run this topic through RH legal?
>
> Presumably one does not need legal sign-off when patents legally
> expire, but this topic is significant.
>
> We can now package mp3 encoding software.
>
> That is a big thing.
>
> --Jon
>
> On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Christian Schaller 
> wrote:
> > Thanks, hadn't seen that. Ok, well I guess they do deserve some credit for
> > owning up to
> > their patents having expired. I am sure there are others out there who
> > would keep
> > claiming they still had IP in the hope of creating enough uncertainty to
> > get at least
> > some people to keep paying.
> >
> > Christian
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Jon" 
> > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> > >
> > > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 2:59:32 PM
> > > Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
> > >
> > > From the source:
> > >
> > > """
> > > On April 23, 2017, Technicolor's mp3 licensing program for certain mp3
> > > related patents and software of Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS has
> > > been terminated.
> > > """
> > >
> > > https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/audiocodecs/mp3.html
> > >
> > > --Jon
> > >
> > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Denise Dumas  wrote:
> > > > Congratulations!!!
> > > > > On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller 
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship
> > > > > mp3
> > > > > encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories.
> > > > > We
> > > > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Christian
> > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > >
> > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > -Jon Disnard
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
> > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
> --
>
> -Jon Disnard
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[Jon Ciesla]

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Christian Schaller 
wrote:
> Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> email thread with the laywers.
>
> I'm assuming it's because he's at RH Summit.  He looked blissfully busy in

the pic I saw, and I assume this has contributed. :)
> Of course on top of that the fact that they shut down the mp3licensing
> operation is a pretty strong sign :)
>
> Christian
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "Jon" 
> > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora" <
>
> [e-mail]>
> > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 4:57:18 PM
> > Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
> >
> > Normally Spot would revel these kind of topics.
> >
> > Where are you Spot?
> >
> > Have you run this topic through RH legal?
> >
> > Presumably one does not need legal sign-off when patents legally
> > expire, but this topic is significant.
> >
> > We can now package mp3 encoding software.
> >
> > That is a big thing.
> >
> > --Jon
> >
> > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 3:13 PM, Christian Schaller 
> > wrote:
> > > Thanks, hadn't seen that. Ok, well I guess they do deserve some credit
>
> for
> > > owning up to
> > > their patents having expired. I am sure there are others out there who
> > > would keep
> > > claiming they still had IP in the hope of creating enough uncertainty
>
> to
> > > get at least
> > > some people to keep paying.
> > >
> > > Christian
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > From: "Jon" 
> > > > To: "Development discussions related to Fedora"
> > > >
> > > > Sent: Wednesday, May 3, 2017 2:59:32 PM
> > > > Subject: Re: mp3 encoding now ok
> > > >
> > > > From the source:
> > > >
> > > > """
> > > > On April 23, 2017, Technicolor's mp3 licensing program for certain mp3
> > > > related patents and software of Technicolor and Fraunhofer IIS has
> > > > been terminated.
> > > > """
> > > >
> > > > https://www.iis.fraunhofer.de/en/ff/amm/prod/audiocodec/
>
> audiocodecs/mp3.html
> > > > --Jon
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, May 3, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Denise Dumas
>
> wrote:
> > > > > Congratulations!!!
> > > > > > On May 3, 2017, at 1:45 PM, Christian Schaller <
>
> [e-mail]>
> > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Hi,
> > > > > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to
>
> ship
> > > > > > mp3
> > > > > > encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > > > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora
>
> repositories.
> > > > > > We
> > > > > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Christian
> > > > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to devel-leave@lists.
>
> fedoraproject.org
> > > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > >
> > > > -Jon Disnard
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> > >
> > > devel mailing list -- [e-mail]
> > > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
> >
> > --
> >
> > -Jon Disnard
> > _______________________________________________
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> > To unsubscribe send an email to [e-mail]
>
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[Tom Callaway]

On 05/04/2017 09:09 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Christian Schaller <[e-mail]
> > wrote:
> Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> email thread with the laywers.
>
> I'm assuming it's because he's at RH Summit.  He looked blissfully busy
> in the pic I saw, and I assume this has contributed. :)

Yes. I've been traveling almost non-stop for a month, so I'm behind on a
lot of things. I was involved here, though, much credit is due to
Christian and his team for a lot of hard work behind the scenes.

~tom

[James Hogarth]

On 15 May 2017 5:15 pm, "Tom Callaway"  wrote:

On 05/04/2017 09:09 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Christian Schaller <[e-mail]
> > wrote:
> Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> email thread with the laywers.
>
> I'm assuming it's because he's at RH Summit.  He looked blissfully busy
> in the pic I saw, and I assume this has contributed. :)

Yes. I've been traveling almost non-stop for a month, so I'm behind on a
lot of things. I was involved here, though, much credit is due to
Christian and his team for a lot of hard work behind the scenes.

The reddit thread and the comments on the Fedora Magazine discussing this
had quite a few people highlighting AC3 as no longer being encumbered as
well.

Is there anything you can share with us on that area too?

[Yaakov Selkowitz]

On 2017-05-15 16:35, James Hogarth wrote:
> The reddit thread and the comments on the Fedora Magazine discussing
> this had quite a few people highlighting AC3 as no longer being
> encumbered as well.
>
> Is there anything you can share with us on that area too?

https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/[e-mail]/...

[Peter Robinson]

On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:35 PM, James Hogarth  wrote:
> On 15 May 2017 5:15 pm, "Tom Callaway"  wrote:
>
> On 05/04/2017 09:09 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Christian Schaller <[e-mail]
> > > wrote:
> > Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> > has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> > email thread with the laywers.
> >
> > I'm assuming it's because he's at RH Summit.  He looked blissfully busy
> > in the pic I saw, and I assume this has contributed. :)
>
> Yes. I've been traveling almost non-stop for a month, so I'm behind on a
> lot of things. I was involved here, though, much credit is due to
> Christian and his team for a lot of hard work behind the scenes.
>
> The reddit thread and the comments on the Fedora Magazine discussing this
> had quite a few people highlighting AC3 as no longer being encumbered as
> well.
>
> Is there anything you can share with us on that area too?

a52dec has been packaged in mainline Fedora since late March:
https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23992

[James Hogarth]

On 15 May 2017 at 23:31, Peter Robinson  wrote:
> On Mon, May 15, 2017 at 10:35 PM, James Hogarth  wrote:
> > On 15 May 2017 5:15 pm, "Tom Callaway"  wrote:
> >
> > On 05/04/2017 09:09 AM, Jon Ciesla wrote:
> > > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 8:07 AM, Christian Schaller <[e-mail]
> > > > wrote:
> > > Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> > > has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> > > email thread with the laywers.
> > >
> > > I'm assuming it's because he's at RH Summit.  He looked blissfully busy
> > > in the pic I saw, and I assume this has contributed. :)
> >
> > Yes. I've been traveling almost non-stop for a month, so I'm behind on a
> > lot of things. I was involved here, though, much credit is due to
> > Christian and his team for a lot of hard work behind the scenes.
> >
> > The reddit thread and the comments on the Fedora Magazine discussing this
> > had quite a few people highlighting AC3 as no longer being encumbered as
> > well.
> >
> > Is there anything you can share with us on that area too?
>
> a52dec has been packaged in mainline Fedora since late March:
> https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=23992

I missed that news.

Thanks for the pointer - I'll go reply to the relevant comments shortly :)

[Daniel P. Berrange]

On Thu, May 04, 2017 at 09:07:25AM -0400, Christian Schaller wrote:
> Hi, not sure why Spot hasn't chimed in, but yes this
> has been run through legal. Tom and I where on the same
> email thread with the laywers.

For clarity someone with authority presumably ought to remove "MP3 Support"
from the list of Forbidden items that package reviewers are required to
check submissions against:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support

Regards,
Daniel

[Matthew Miller]

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> For clarity someone with authority presumably ought to remove "MP3 Support"
> from the list of Forbidden items that package reviewers are required to
> check submissions against:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Forbidden_items?rd=ForbiddenItems#MP3_Support

Done.

[Simone Caronni]

Hello,

On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 6:24 PM, Matthew Miller 
wrote:
> On Thu, May 18, 2017 at 05:13:14PM +0100, Daniel P. Berrange wrote:
> > For clarity someone with authority presumably ought to remove "MP3
>
> Support"
> > from the list of Forbidden items that package reviewers are required to
> > check submissions against:
>
> Done.

Sorry to reiterate, I'm just rewriting it here so it doesn't get lost in
the thread again:

- Status about MPEG-1 Layer I/II (e.g. twolame) and video decoding (e.g.
smpeg). Is it allowed?
- Status about branches. Ex. asking branches for mpg123 is fine, toolame
gets this answer:

"Blocked: Even mp3 decoding was not imported to F24, and any decision to do
so should be coordinated with the repo currently providing said package."

Cheers,
--Simone

[Bastien Nocera]

----- Original Message -----
> Hi,
> So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3
> encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We are
> still in the process of evaluating other codecs.

I'll tell Thomas we can retire Codeina.

Thanks :)

[Yaakov Selkowitz]

On 2017-05-03 12:44, Christian Schaller wrote:
> So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.

What about the rest of MPEG-1, namely Layer II audio (MP2) encoding 
(e.g. twolame) and video decoding (e.g. smpeg)?

[Simone Caronni]

Hello,

On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz 
wrote:
> On 2017-05-03 12:44, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship mp3
> > encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We
> > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
>
> What about the rest of MPEG-1, namely Layer II audio (MP2) encoding (e.g.
> twolame) and video decoding (e.g. smpeg)?

Any chance to have this question answered? For "decoding ok" in November
last year, it was implied that MPEG-1 Layer I/II/III was fine (libmad
etc.), but for "encoding ok" this does not seem as clear.

Thanks,
--Simone

[Simone Caronni]

On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Simone Caronni 
wrote:
> Hello,
>
> On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz 
> wrote:
> > On 2017-05-03 12:44, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship
> > > mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We
> > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> >
> > What about the rest of MPEG-1, namely Layer II audio (MP2) encoding (e.g.
> > twolame) and video decoding (e.g. smpeg)?
>
> Any chance to have this question answered? For "decoding ok" in November
> last year, it was implied that MPEG-1 Layer I/II/III was fine (libmad
> etc.), but for "encoding ok" this does not seem as clear.

Also these pages should be updated, I guess:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3

I'm not sure I have the correct information for making the edit myself.

Can someone also point me to a page about the other restricted formats that
are not yet allowed? Like H.265/HEVC, H.264 (not OpenH264), etc.

Thanks,
--Simone

[Stephen John Smoogen]

On 14 May 2017 at 15:43, Simone Caronni  wrote:
> On Sun, May 14, 2017 at 9:37 PM, Simone Caronni 
> wrote:
> > Hello,
> >
> > On Thu, May 4, 2017 at 6:17 PM, Yaakov Selkowitz 
> > wrote:
> > > On 2017-05-03 12:44, Christian Schaller wrote:
> > > > So just wanted everyone to know that we now have the go ahead to ship
> > > > mp3 encoding in Fedora too. So anyone involved with packaging
> > > > mp3 encoders can now start migrating them to the Fedora repositories. We
> > > > are still in the process of evaluating other codecs.
> > >
> > > What about the rest of MPEG-1, namely Layer II audio (MP2) encoding (e.g.
> > > twolame) and video decoding (e.g. smpeg)?
> >
> > Any chance to have this question answered? For "decoding ok" in November
> > last year, it was implied that MPEG-1 Layer I/II/III was fine (libmad etc.),
> > but for "encoding ok" this does not seem as clear.
>
> Also these pages should be updated, I guess:
>
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia
> https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Multimedia/MP3
>
> I'm not sure I have the correct information for making the edit myself.
>
> Can someone also point me to a page about the other restricted formats that
> are not yet allowed? Like H.265/HEVC, H.264 (not OpenH264), etc.

The person who usually is the only one allowed to change these pages
is on travel and will be for a couple more days. They are our contact
into the lawyers who can give an opinion. As it being an opinion, it
is not an answer (which usually only a court can give). Being that
lawyers have a lot of research to try and craft any opinion.. it also
takes time.

Because the list of formats is very large, the list for what is not
allowed can not be exhaustive. It is easier to instead say which
formats are allowed.