KDE 4 Beta 1

[jos poortvliet]

Dear people,

The KDE project is about to release it's first beta for KDE 4. The package 
tarballs are available, to allow distributions to package it. We would like 
to know if your distribution will have packages available at or soon after 
the official release date, so we can mention it in the announcement.

If so, please provide us with a link or location where to find those packages. 
If you won't have packages right away, you can tell us when they will be 
available, so we can mention that.

Thank you for your coöperation,


The KDE promo team 
kde-promo(a)kde.org

-- 
Jos Poortvliet
KDE-nl
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[Mark]

Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
btw.. you will have to make them because KDE 4 is planned for Fedora 8

2007/7/28, jos poortvliet <jospoortvliet(a)kde.nl&gt;:
>  Dear people,
>
>  The KDE project is about to release it's first beta for KDE 4. The package
>  tarballs are available, to allow distributions to package it. We would like
>  to know if your distribution will have packages available at or soon after
>  the official release date, so we can mention it in the announcement.
>
>  If so, please provide us with a link or location where to find those packages.
>  If you won't have packages right away, you can tell us when they will be
>  available, so we can mention that.
>
>  Thank you for your coöperation,
>
>
>  The KDE promo team
>  kde-promo(a)kde.org
>
>  --
>  Jos Poortvliet
>  KDE-nl
>  http://www.kde.nl
>  http://www.kde.org
>
>  Please avoid sending me Word or PowerPoint attachments.
>  See http://www.gnu.org/philosophy/no-word-attachments.html
>
>   A: Because it destroys the flow of the conversation
>   Q: Why is top-posting bad?
>
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>

[Rahul Sundaram]

Mark wrote:
>  Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
>  btw.. you will have to make them because KDE 4 is planned for Fedora 8
>   
Stop top posting.

The feature plan is described in 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/FeatureKDE4.

The release of KDE 4 in Fedora 8 is dependent on how strict the KDE 4 
schedule is.

Rahul

[Kevin Kofler]

Mark <markg85 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
Hey, we're working on it! Give us some time, the beta isn't even officially out 
yet!

>  btw.. you will have to make them because KDE 4 is planned for Fedora
> 8 
This plan is subject to change, by the way. Given the current state of KDE 4.0, 
we have some reservations about whether it will be ready for being the default 
KDE in Fedora 8.

        Kevin Kofler

[Gilboa Davara]

On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 15:07 +0000, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>  Mark <markg85 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  > Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
>  
>  Hey, we're working on it! Give us some time, the beta isn't even officially out 
>  yet!
>  
>  > btw.. you will have to make them because KDE 4 is planned for Fedora 8
>  
>  This plan is subject to change, by the way. Given the current state of KDE 4.0, 
>  we have some reservations about whether it will be ready for being the default 
>  KDE in Fedora 8.
>  
>          Kevin Kofler
>   
IMHO, KDE4B2 is released 3 days before F8 feature freeze.
As much as I would like to see KDE4 on F8, unless Beta 2 is feature
complete (especially Plasma) with little, if no rawhide testing is very
risky.

Will KDE4 be parallel installable?

- Gilboa

[Rex Dieter]

Kevin Kofler wrote:

>  Mark <markg85 <at> gmail.com> writes:
> > Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
>  
>  Hey, we're working on it! Give us some time, the beta isn't even
>  officially out yet! 
If you're impatient with the progress being made, you're certainly welcome
to help join the effort, 
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
:)

-- Rex

[Arthur Pemberton]

On 7/29/07, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt; wrote:
>  Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>  > Mark <markg85 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  >> Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
>  >
>  > Hey, we're working on it! Give us some time, the beta isn't even
>  > officially out yet!
>
>  If you're impatient with the progress being made, you're certainly welcome
>  to help join the effort,
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
>  :)
>
>  -- Rex 

Rex,

Could you give us a realistic report of KDE4 in Fedora so we don't go
getting our hopes up? I saw your report at Akademy, and I've been
hopeful ever since, but I realize that this is no trivial thing.

BTW, if KDE4 turns out to be not parallel insalltable, it might be
helpful to release a qemu image to facilitate testing.


-- 
Fedora Core 6 and proud

[Rex Dieter]

Arthur Pemberton wrote:

> > If you're impatient with the progress being made, you're
> certainly
> > welcome to help join the effort,
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
> > :) 
>  Could you give us a realistic report of KDE4 in Fedora so we
> don't go
>  getting our hopes up? I saw your report at Akademy, and I've been
>  hopeful ever since, but I realize that this is no trivial thing. 
KDE4 in some shape and form, will undoubtedly be included in F8.  Now,
whether the kde4 *desktop* makes it... odds are running about 50/50 atm,
depending on release schedule and it's quality/regressions, etc...

>  BTW, if KDE4 turns out to be not parallel insalltable, it might be
>  helpful to release a qemu image to facilitate testing. 
It's not directly parallel installable at the moment.  Someone interested in
helping make such a thing for qemu would be greatly appreciated. :)

-- Rex

[Jeremy Katz]

On Sun, 2007-07-29 at 18:04 -0500, Rex Dieter wrote:
>  Arthur Pemberton wrote:
>  > BTW, if KDE4 turns out to be not parallel insalltable, it might be
>  > helpful to release a qemu image to facilitate testing.
>  
>  It's not directly parallel installable at the moment.  Someone interested in
>  helping make such a thing for qemu would be greatly appreciated. :) 
Should be easy enough to do a live image for it... and they're then
usable in qemu

Jeremy

[Mark]

2007/7/29, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;:
>  Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
>  If you're impatient with the progress being made, you're certainly welcome
>  to help join the effort,
>  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE 
well.. i would like to help but at this time i'm probably not much of
a good helping hand with making rpm's. i still need to learn alot
about that.

[Rex Dieter]

Mark wrote:

>  2007/7/29, Rex Dieter <rdieter(a)math.unl.edu&gt;:
> > Kevin Kofler wrote:
> >
> > If you're impatient with the progress being made, you're certainly
> > welcome to help join the effort,
> > http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/SIGs/KDE
>  
>  well.. i would like to help but at this time i'm probably not much of
>  a good helping hand with making rpm's.  
There's a lot more to this effort than packaging.  Testing, Documenting
(release notes type stuff, keeping wiki up2date), bug triaging.

-- Rex

[Christopher Brown]

Hello Mark,

On 29/07/07, Mark <markg85(a)gmail.com&gt; wrote:
>  Come on Fedora Packagers.. make those KDE 4 beta 1 rpm's!!
>  btw.. you will have to make them because KDE 4 is planned for Fedora 8 
I maintain only one fedora package and have found that a steep
learning curve - this is an entire desktop environment. so "have to"
is an interesting phrase. This depends on a variety of factors, not
least that there is no further slippage in the release schedule. KDE 4
will get into Fedora, no question, but hasty malformed packages for 8
are, IMHO, counter-productive to such an important release and if it
is delayed until 9 please be assured that is in the best interests of
both the KDE and Fedora projects.

Cheers
Chris

-- 
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[Mark]

2007/7/29, Chris Brown <snecklifter(a)gmail.com&gt;:
>  Hello Mark,
>  
Hey

>  I maintain only one fedora package and have found that a steep
>  learning curve - this is an entire desktop environment. so "have to"
>  is an interesting phrase. This depends on a variety of factors, not
>  least that there is no further slippage in the release schedule. KDE 4
>  will get into Fedora, no question, but hasty malformed packages for 8
>  are, IMHO, counter-productive to such an important release and if it
>  is delayed until 9 please be assured that is in the best interests of
>  both the KDE and Fedora projects.
>
>  Cheers
>  Chris 
Well the first upcoming release for Fedora 8 is Test 1. it's not a
test to be as stable as possible (would be good but not expected).
unstable packages are allowed in test 1 because it's a test release.
and you will get alot more feedback about kde 4 if you can get them in
fedora 8 asap (so in test 1). but i might be just a little to happy
about it because i would like to test out KDE 4 in fedora ^_^

[Kevin Kofler]

Mark <markg85 <at> gmail.com> writes:
>  Well the first upcoming release for Fedora 8 is Test 1. it's not
> a
>  test to be as stable as possible (would be good but not expected).
>  unstable packages are allowed in test 1 because it's a test release.
>  and you will get alot more feedback about kde 4 if you can get them in
>  fedora 8 asap (so in test 1). but i might be just a little to happy
>  about it because i would like to test out KDE 4 in fedora ^_^ 
Sorry, but test1 is already frozen, there's no way KDE 4 is going into it.

        Kevin Kofler