Schedule for Friday's FESCo Meeting (2017-10-27)

[Stephen Gallagher]

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Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting onirc.freenode.net.

To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
  http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto

or run:
  date -d '2017-10-27 16:00 UTC'


Links to all issues below can be found
at:https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

= Followups =

#topic #1737 i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date or we
drop i686 kernel from F28
.fesco 1737https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737

#topic #1780 F28 System Wide Change: Annobin
.fesco 1780https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1780

#topic #1782 use of updates-testing for testing of non-update software
.fesco 1782https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1782

#topic #1783 Firefox 57 and the Updates Policy
.fesco 1783https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1783

#topic #1785 Mesa/Nouveau maintainer(s) should be required to ship the
locking patches from the QtWebEngine Copr
.fesco 1785https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1785

= New business =

#topic #1787 releng issue 7071 as an F27 release blocker
.fesco 1878https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1787

= Open Floor =

For more complete details, please visit each individual
issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found
athttps://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda

If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
e-mail me directly, or bring it
up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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[Igor Gnatenko]

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On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 14:55 +0000, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
>  FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting
>  onirc.freenode.net.
>  
>  To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>    http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>  
>  or run:
>    date -d '2017-10-27 16:00 UTC'
>  
>  
>  Links to all issues below can be found
>  at:https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>  
>  = Followups =
>  
>  #topic #1737 i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date or
>  we
>  drop i686 kernel from F28
>  .fesco 1737https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1737
>  
>  #topic #1780 F28 System Wide Change: Annobin
>  .fesco 1780https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1780
>  
>  #topic #1782 use of updates-testing for testing of non-update
>  software
>  .fesco 1782https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1782
>  
>  #topic #1783 Firefox 57 and the Updates Policy
>  .fesco 1783https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1783
>  
>  #topic #1785 Mesa/Nouveau maintainer(s) should be required to ship
>  the
>  locking patches from the QtWebEngine Copr
>  .fesco 1785https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1785 
You forgot about Packaging Rust applications/libraries (deferred in
F27) which is supposed to be re-reviewed this week (from last).
>  
>  = New business =
>  
>  #topic #1787 releng issue 7071 as an F27 release blocker
>  .fesco 1878https://pagure.io/fesco/issue/1787
>  
>  = Open Floor =
>  
>  For more complete details, please visit each individual
>  issue.  The report of the agenda items can be found
>  athttps://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>  
>  If you would like to add something to this agenda, you can
>  reply to this e-mail, file a new issue athttps://pagure.io/fesco,
>  e-mail me directly, or bring it
>  up at the end of the meeting, during the open floor topic. Note
>  that added topics may be deferred until the following meeting.
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[Stephen Gallagher]

On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:36 AM Igor Gnatenko <
ignatenkobrain(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:

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>  On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 14:55 +0000, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
>  > FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting
>  > onirc.freenode.net.
>  >
>  > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>  >   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>  >
>  > or run:
>  >   date -d '2017-10-27 16:00 UTC'
>  >
>  >
>  > Links to all issues below can be found
>  > at:https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>  >
>  > = Followups =
>  >
>  
...

>  You forgot about Packaging Rust applications/libraries (deferred in
>  F27) which is supposed to be re-reviewed this week (from last).
>  
There's no FESCo ticket on that. Mind opening one and I'll add it to the
agenda?

[Igor Gnatenko]

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On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 16:00 +0000, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  On Thu, Oct 26, 2017 at 11:36 AM Igor Gnatenko <
>  ignatenkobrain(a)fedoraproject.org&gt; wrote:
>  
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>  > On Thu, 2017-10-26 at 14:55 +0000, Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  > > Following is the list of topics that will be discussed in the
>  > > FESCo meeting Friday at 16:00UTC in #fedora-meeting
>  > > onirc.freenode.net.
>  > > 
>  > > To convert UTC to your local time, take a look at
>  > >   http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/UTCHowto
>  > > 
>  > > or run:
>  > >   date -d '2017-10-27 16:00 UTC'
>  > > 
>  > > 
>  > > Links to all issues below can be found
>  > > at:https://pagure.io/fesco/report/meeting_agenda
>  > > 
>  > > = Followups =
>  > > 
>  
>  ...
>  
>  > You forgot about Packaging Rust applications/libraries (deferred in
>  > F27) which is supposed to be re-reviewed this week (from last).
>  > 
>  
>  There's no FESCo ticket on that. Mind opening one and I'll add it to
>  the
>  agenda? 
It is part of F28 Self-Contained changes.. https://pagure.io/fesco/issu
e/1767

https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/fesco/fesco.2017-10-20-16.00.ht
ml
6. Packaging Rust applications (jforbes, 16:24:53)
 a. https://fedoraproject.org//wiki/Changes/Packaging_Rust_applications
_and_libraries (bowlofeggs, 16:26:49)
 b. AGREED: Rust packaging to be revisited next week once bodhi has
pushed to live (+6,0,-0) (jforbes, 16:38:31)
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[Stephen Gallagher]

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#fedora-meeting: FESCO (2017-10-27)
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Meeting started by sgallagh at 16:01:15 UTC. The full logs are available
athttps://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-10-27/fesco.2017-...
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Meeting summary
- ---------------
* init process  (sgallagh, 16:01:15)

* #1737 i686 SIG needs to be functional by F27 release date or we drop
  i686 kernel from F28  (sgallagh, 16:03:53)
  * AGREED: i686 SIG is certified functional and will be responsible for
    i686-specific issues (+6, 0, -0)  (sgallagh, 16:10:33)

* #1767 F28 Self Contained Changes - Rust  (sgallagh, 16:12:23)
  * AGREED: We accept the RUST change for f28 (+6, 0, -0)  (sgallagh,
    16:39:57)

* #1780 F28 System Wide Change: Annobin  (sgallagh, 16:40:08)
  * FESCo doesn't see any problems with the 4% increase in repodata
    (sgallagh, 16:44:35)

* #1782 use of updates-testing for testing of non-update software
  (sgallagh, 16:44:46)

* #1783 Firefox 57 and the Updates Policy  (sgallagh, 16:45:34)
  * AGREED: Fedora 27 will ship a pre-release of Firefox 57 so that we
    don't hit these woes on first upgrade after install (+6, 0, -0)
    (sgallagh, 16:51:12)

* #1785 Mesa/Nouveau maintainer(s) should be required to ship the
  (sgallagh, 16:51:30)
  * AGREED: FESCo understands that this is a serious issue, but doesn't
    feel that it should override the decision of the subject matter
    experts (+6, 0, -0)  (sgallagh, 16:54:22)

* #1787 releng issue 7071 as an F27 release blocker  (sgallagh,
  16:54:41)
  * AGREED: FESCo does not consider this blocking for the release (0, 1,
    -5)  (sgallagh, 16:58:49)

* Next week's chair  (sgallagh, 17:02:48)
  * maxamillion to chair next week's meeting  (sgallagh, 17:04:44)

* Open Floor  (sgallagh, 17:05:14)

Meeting ended at 17:07:48 UTC.




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[Kevin Kofler]

Stephen Gallagher wrote:
>  * #1785 Mesa/Nouveau maintainer(s) should be required to ship the
>    (sgallagh, 16:51:30)
>    * AGREED: FESCo understands that this is a serious issue, but doesn't
>      feel that it should override the decision of the subject matter
>      experts (+6, 0, -0)  (sgallagh, 16:54:22) 
So users will keep having to enable a Copr to get a working driver. (The one 
Fedora ships is totally unusable.) <SARCASM>Way to go!</SARCASM>

        Kevin Kofler
        (who is getting really pissed off at FESCo decisions lately!)