Orphaning clementine

[Jan Grulich]

Hi,

I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time 
looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given upstream 
is more or less dead and latest release is more than 2 years old.

Feel free to take it.

Regards,
Jan

[John Florian]

Jan, as a longtime clementine user, I'm sorry to read this.  I had no 
idea upstream had gone dormant.  It works great for me, but I have no 
idea of what pain may have been involved in getting/keeping it in that 
form for users like me.  Unfortunately, I too am short on time (and I 
don't do C).  Thanks for all you've done!

Do you know of a good alternative, preferably Qt-based, KDE/Plasma 
friendly, and available in Fedora?


On 2018-09-05 07:05, Jan Grulich wrote:
>  Hi,
>
>  I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time
>  looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given upstream
>  is more or less dead and latest release is more than 2 years old.
>
>  Feel free to take it.
>
>  Regards,
>  Jan
>
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[Gerald B. Cox]

I would recommend you check out qmmp.  It's light weight, runs with qt5 and
does what it sets out to do, which is be a flexible, lightweight music
player that runs on qt5, supports skins, has many good plugins for extra
features, supports tagged and folder based album covers, etc.

There is a thread here:  bit.ly/2M2JgnE - where players are discussed.

qmmp has been has been actively maintained since it first come out in 2007.

The current release is 1.2.3 which was released July 20th, 2018.


On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 8:43 AM, John Florian <jflorian(a)doubledog.org&gt; wrote:

>  Jan, as a longtime clementine user, I'm sorry to read this.  I
> had no idea
>  upstream had gone dormant.  It works great for me, but I have no idea of
>  what pain may have been involved in getting/keeping it in that form for
>  users like me.  Unfortunately, I too am short on time (and I don't do C).
>  Thanks for all you've done!
>
>  Do you know of a good alternative, preferably Qt-based, KDE/Plasma
>  friendly, and available in Fedora?
>
>
>
>  On 2018-09-05 07:05, Jan Grulich wrote:
>
> > Hi,
> >
> > I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time
> > looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given
> > upstream
> > is more or less dead and latest release is more than 2 years old.
> >
> > Feel free to take it.
> >
> > Regards,
> > Jan
> >
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[John Florian]

On 2018-09-05 13:41, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>  I would recommend you check out qmmp.  It's light weight, runs
> with 
>  qt5 and does what it sets out to do, which is be a flexible, 
>  lightweight music player that runs on qt5, supports skins, has many 
>  good plugins for extra features, supports tagged and folder based 
>  album covers, etc.
>
>  There is a thread here: bit.ly/2M2JgnE - where players are discussed.
>
>  qmmp has been has been actively maintained since it first come out in 
>  2007.
>
>  The current release is 1.2.3 which was released July 20th, 2018. 
That's good to know, thanks!  It does look like it could do the job for 
me.  I hope to continue to use clementine, if possible but qmmp looks 
quite solid for the basics -- at least once I got rid of that dreaded 
default interface.  Count me in the same category as Rex Dieter of 
finding it way too small and I don't know I would have found the setting 
buried in the plugins had you not pointed it out in that thread.  I do 
have to say, I like the plugin nature though. Kind of reminds of the old 
firefox that was pure and small; add only the bloat you need.  I haven't 
tried to do any tag editing with it yet, but it appears to be there.  My 
biggest miss would be dynamic playlists where I could create some pretty 
crazy schemes for what I wanted to hear (or not hear).  I also prefer my 
"random" music pre-shuffled so I can see what's coming up and what's 
behind me.  (I honestly own so much music sometimes I don't know who 
just played.)

But qmmp certainly is the most solid alternative I've seen.  I tried 
deadbeef and juk and found them lacking too severely.  I might no't have 
tried qmmp had you not given me reason to give it a 2nd look since I had 
never been fond of the ol' xmmp days.  I'm too old, tired and 
cantankerous to have UIs that don't follow basic conventions unless 
there's extremely good reasons to do so (e.g., qcad).

[John Florian]

On 2018-09-05 14:22, John Florian wrote:
>  I also prefer my "random" music pre-shuffled so I can see
> what's 
>  coming up and what's behind me.  (I honestly own so much music 
>  sometimes I don't know who just played.) 
And now that I've posted that, I see there's Edit/Randomize List vs. 
Playback/Shuffle.  Sweet.

[Gerald B. Cox]

On Wed, Sep 5, 2018 at 11:22 AM, John Florian <jflorian(a)doubledog.org&gt;
wrote:

>  On 2018-09-05 13:41, Gerald B. Cox wrote:
>
>  I would recommend you check out qmmp.  It's light weight, runs with qt5
>  and does what it sets out to do, which is be a flexible, lightweight music
>  player that runs on qt5, supports skins, has many good plugins for extra
>  features, supports tagged and folder based album covers, etc.
>
>  There is a thread here:  bit.ly/2M2JgnE - where players are discussed.
>
>  qmmp has been has been actively maintained since it first come out in 2007.
>
>  The current release is 1.2.3 which was released July 20th, 2018.
>
>
>  That's good to know, thanks!  It does look like it could do the job for
>  me.  I hope to continue to use clementine, if possible but qmmp looks quite
>  solid for the basics -- at least once I got rid of that dreaded default
>  interface.  Count me in the same category as Rex Dieter of finding it way
>  too small and I don't know I would have found the setting buried in the
>  plugins had you not pointed it out in that thread.  I do have to say, I
>  like the plugin nature though.  Kind of reminds of the old firefox that was
>  pure and small; add only the bloat you need.  I haven't tried to do any tag
>  editing with it yet, but it appears to be there.  My biggest miss would be
>  dynamic playlists where I could create some pretty crazy schemes for what I
>  wanted to hear (or not hear).  I also prefer my "random" music pre-shuffled
>  so I can see what's coming up and what's behind me.  (I honestly own so
>  much music sometimes I don't know who just played.)
>  
The default interface for qmmp is based upon winamp, and it's setup to
easily use a vast number of available winamp skins.  Some people like it,
some people don't.  I prefer the simple interface, but it is fun to play
with the skinned interface (winamp) from time to time.  Some are hard to
read, others are not.

I see from your next reply you found the edit/randomize, shuffle, etc.

There is also a History plugin, you might wish to activate.  In addition,
there is a track actions plugin you might be interested in.

Also, of course, if you have a suggestion, request, problem etc. give the
project feedback.

For further discussion about qmmp, please use the kde mailing list.

Thanks!

[Robert-André Mauchin]

On mercredi 5 septembre 2018 13:05:06 CEST Jan Grulich wrote:
>  Hi,
>  
>  I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time 
>  looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given
>  upstream is more or less dead and latest release is more than 2 years old. 
>  Feel free to take it.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Jan
>   
There's no new release but the git is somehow active
https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/tree/qt5
https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/tree/master

The problem is there doesn't seem to be anyone "leading" the project 
somewhere.

If no one is interested, I'm available to pick up the project.


(On a side note, I plan to bring Elisa Music Player into the official repos 
for 0.3)

[Orcan Ogetbil]

n Wed, 5 Sep 2018 at 13:42, Robert-André Mauchin wrote:
>  On mercredi 5 septembre 2018 13:05:06 CEST Jan Grulich wrote:
>  > Hi,
>  >
>  > I haven't been using clementine for a long time and don't have really time
>  > looking into clementine issues. This is even more complicated given
>  > upstream is more or less dead and latest release is more than 2 years old.
>  > Feel free to take it.
>  >
>  > Regards,
>  > Jan
>  >
>
>  There's no new release but the git is somehow active
>  https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/tree/qt5
>  https://github.com/clementine-player/Clementine/tree/master
>
>  The problem is there doesn't seem to be anyone "leading" the project
>  somewhere.
>
>  If no one is interested, I'm available to pick up the project. 
As the previous maintainer, I have been helping out off and on. I
contributed the last patch (and submitted it upstream) to help with
the recent crash [1]. I have a better version of it but I never had to
time to fully test and commit. (There is still some related crash in
an edge case)

I can keep helping out but I don't want to take the full
responsibility of the package.

Cheers,
Orcan

[1] https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1566807