Hopefully this means Google will catch on. I've been rather frustrated
at how often the old fedorahosted is shown in the search results up top
and how burried the Pagure instance can be. It's been getting better,
but perhaps that's only Google learning what *I* want. I've had to get
in the habbit of searching for "koji pagure" or "lorax pagure". The
latter will probably always require something extra because Dr. Seuss
is the order of the day it seems. :-/
Hi John,
I usually avoid that bias wiping everything but passwords on the web
browser, or using another one. Searches can be very different using
different browsers, being logged or not and having a clean up or not.
But I agree that Google is annoying showing old results. It happens to
me a lot.
Cheers,
Sylvia
PS: Yes, I know it's late but I was moving to a new place so now I'm
catching on my mail and to-dos, haha.
fedorahosted is getting retired soon (next week!).
A quick grep of spec files shows a lot of packages still using
fedorahosted.org in their URL and/or Source file lines.
That tells me that the Fedora community is NOT ready for fedorahosted.org
getting shut down and that it should be kept alive longer.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> fedorahosted is getting retired soon (next week!).
>
> A quick grep of spec files shows a lot of packages still using
> fedorahosted.org in their URL and/or Source file lines.
That tells me that the Fedora community is NOT ready for
fedorahosted.org getting shut down and that it should be kept alive
longer.
By that logic:
% egrep -i "Source|URL" * | grep googlecode | wc -l
372
The Fedora community is NOT ready for googlecode to be shut down?
Things go away, it's part of the great internet cycle of life.
Anyhow, note that (like googlecode) we will provide raw project data to
maintainers after the shutdown.
kevin
By that logic:
% egrep -i "Source|URL" * | grep googlecode | wc -l
372
The Fedora community is NOT ready for googlecode to be shut down?
Things go away, it's part of the great internet cycle of life.
It is well known that Google does not give a darn about its users and just
pulls the plug under them whenever they (Google, NOT the users) feel like it
(which is why it is such a bad idea to depend on their services). It is
really not an example to follow.
Kevin Kofler
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> By that logic:
>
> % egrep -i "Source|URL" * | grep googlecode | wc -l
> 372
>
> The Fedora community is NOT ready for googlecode to be shut down?
> Things go away, it's part of the great internet cycle of life.
It is well known that Google does not give a darn about its users and just
pulls the plug under them whenever they (Google, NOT the users) feel like it
(which is why it is such a bad idea to depend on their services). It is
really not an example to follow.
So are you volunteering the maintain the trac instance, cgit instance,
and whatever else is involved in fedorahosted, then? Or are you just
demanding that others must do so?
--
Adam Williamson
Fedora QA Community Monkey
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http://www.happyassassin.net
Kevin Fenzi wrote:
> By that logic:
>
> % egrep -i "Source|URL" * | grep googlecode | wc -l
> 372
>
> The Fedora community is NOT ready for googlecode to be shut down?
> Things go away, it's part of the great internet cycle of life.
It is well known that Google does not give a darn about its users and just
pulls the plug under them whenever they (Google, NOT the users) feel like it
(which is why it is such a bad idea to depend on their services). It is
really not an example to follow.
The point is that Source: and URL: tags are often out of date or
mention sites that were valid once but no longer. We have packages
referring to gitorious.org, or to sites that are moribund because the
project has moved to GitHub. We haven't fixed all of them, so I see no
reason to keep fedorahosted.org running just because spec files refer
to it.
On 23/02/17 00:28 +0100, Kevin Kofler wrote:
>
> Kevin Fenzi wrote:
>>
>> By that logic:
>>
>> % egrep -i "Source|URL" * | grep googlecode | wc -l
>> 372
>>
>> The Fedora community is NOT ready for googlecode to be shut down?
>> Things go away, it's part of the great internet cycle of life.
>
>
> It is well known that Google does not give a darn about its users and just
> pulls the plug under them whenever they (Google, NOT the users) feel like
> it
> (which is why it is such a bad idea to depend on their services). It is
> really not an example to follow.
The point is that Source: and URL: tags are often out of date or
mention sites that were valid once but no longer. We have packages
referring to gitorious.org, or to sites that are moribund because the
project has moved to GitHub. We haven't fixed all of them, so I see no
reason to keep fedorahosted.org running just because spec files refer
to it.
Sounds like a great RFE for Fedora 27. If a spec file references a
package that is pointing to a dead upstream, it is considered a FTBFS
error. We can sell it as Mass Fall Cleaning!
--
Stephen J Smoogen.
Sounds like a great RFE for Fedora 27. If a spec file references a
package that is pointing to a dead upstream, it is considered a FTBFS
error. We can sell it as Mass Fall Cleaning!
Wasn't there some cleanup/checking of that before? I seem to remember
that. Of course, it doesn't work for all the generated sources (svn
snapshots, things with banned code that are "cleaned" with a script,
etc.).
--
Chris Adams <linux(a)cmadams.net>
Once upon a time, Stephen John Smoogen <smooge(a)gmail.com>
said:
> Sounds like a great RFE for Fedora 27. If a spec file references a
> package that is pointing to a dead upstream, it is considered a
> FTBFS error. We can sell it as Mass Fall Cleaning!
Wasn't there some cleanup/checking of that before? I seem to remember
that. Of course, it doesn't work for all the generated sources (svn
snapshots, things with banned code that are "cleaned" with a script,
etc.).
A quick grep of spec files shows a lot of packages still using
fedorahosted.org in their URL and/or Source file lines.
If you have migrated your project, please do update those.
Hi Kevin,
I count 5183 links to fedorahosted in Fedora's wiki:
https://fedoraproject.org/w/index.php?title=Special:LinkSearch&limit=...
Can we plan build a few scripts to search and replace? I assume the bot
I used for l10n cleanup will do the job:
https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Jibecfed/wiki_cleanup
I assume we have to findout wich projects are indeed existing in Pagure
to do this. Any simple way to do this?
In order to replace direct links fedorahosted' main page, can you create
a wiki page to talk about this platform sunset? Or have you any page in
progress to help people to search for basic information? (the content of
your previous email looks fine, maybe just adding a way to access raw
project data to maintainers after the shutdown)
I feel like infra team member is more skilled than me to make the search
and replace, but will be pleased to help if needed.
Thanks for your help,
---
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
I assume we have to findout wich projects are indeed existing in
Pagure to do this. Any simple way to do this?
We can easily get a list of pagure projects,
https://pagure.io/api/0/projects
but we don't have any kind of for sure mapping between old fedorahosted
projects and new pagure ones. They could have changed names...
In order to replace direct links fedorahosted' main page, can
you
create a wiki page to talk about this platform sunset? Or have you
any page in progress to help people to search for basic information?
(the content of your previous email looks fine, maybe just adding a
way to access raw project data to maintainers after the shutdown)
I feel like infra team member is more skilled than me to make the
search and replace, but will be pleased to help if needed.
Well, I don't see how we can really do this in an automated way.
I guess we could find those we know for sure and change them and leave
the rest.
kevin
I guess we could find those we know for sure and change them and
leave
the rest.
kevin
I agree
for what we don't know, once down, can you create a redirection from
fedorahosted.org to this new wikipage . I assume it will provide
sufficient information for end users?
What we know for sure will be updated, what we don't will stay with old
link but the user will be redirected to the general purpose wiki page.
--
Jean-Baptiste Holcroft
Le 23/02/2017 à 17:37, Kevin Fenzi a écrit :
> I guess we could find those we know for sure and change them and
> leave the rest.
>
> kevin
I agree
for what we don't know, once down, can you create a redirection from
fedorahosted.org to this new wikipage . I assume it will provide
sufficient information for end users?
Well, we can hope, but we can't answer every end user need. ;)
By the way, "sunset" is much too euphemistic a metaphor for what is planned.
"Massacre" or, if you want to keep the sun theme, "supernova", would
be more
fitting metaphors.
Kevin Kofler
By the way, "sunset" is much too euphemistic a metaphor for
what is planned.
"Massacre" or, if you want to keep the sun theme, "supernova", would
be more
fitting metaphors.
"supernova" seems appropriate — after all supernovae lead to formation
of planets and new life.
Zbyszek
Kevin If you have nothing nice to say.. please keep it to yourself. I
am tired of your vitriol and everything is doomed. Fedora hasn't died
in the 10+ years you have said we are killing it, and I am frankly
tired of dealing with the weekly telling other people how to do their
job.
On 24 February 2017 at 12:30, Kevin Kofler <kevin.kofler(a)chello.at> wrote:
By the way, "sunset" is much too euphemistic a metaphor for
what is planned.
"Massacre" or, if you want to keep the sun theme, "supernova", would
be more
fitting metaphors.
Kevin Kofler
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