Observation/Suggestion in rawhide

[Sachin]

Hi

Suggestion

1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the space
which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with low disk
space.
2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
extensions.checkCompatibility=false
3) Shutdown splash screen
4) ext4 (/boot) in grub

Observation:

1) Why logout is available at two different place a) under system b) In
panel under name
2) Preference menu list is too long

Thanks for the great work.

Regards,
Sachin.

[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:37:28PM -0500, Sachin wrote:
>  1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
> space
>  which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with low disk
>  space. 
If I may be allowed to pimp ...
http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/rpmdepsize/

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[Uwe Kiewel]

Richard W.M. Jones wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:37:28PM -0500, Sachin wrote:
> > 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the space
> > which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with low disk
> > space.
>  
>  If I may be allowed to pimp ...
>  http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/rpmdepsize/
>   
I think this is not what he want.

In my point of view he wants yum to do as followed:

# yum -y update --size 1G

Now, yum will download 1 GB updates at maximum. If there are more than 1
GB of updates yum will do the update procedure trice ore more.

I am right, Sachin?


Thanks,
	Uwe

[Adam Miller]

Ooooo pretty, /me git clones.

Any projected time line for a stable release and potentially a package? :)

-Adam

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 7:34 AM, Richard W.M. Jones <rjones(a)redhat.com&gt; wrote:
>  On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:37:28PM -0500, Sachin wrote:
> > 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the space
> > which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with low disk
> > space.
>
>  If I may be allowed to pimp ...
>  http://et.redhat.com/~rjones/rpmdepsize/
>
>  Rich.
>
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[Richard W.M. Jones]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 08:23:52AM -0500, Adam Miller wrote:
>  Ooooo pretty, /me git clones. 
Well it's a mash-up of OCaml and Python code at the moment ...  Don't
look behind the curtain.

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[James Antill]

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:37 -0500, Sachin wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Suggestion
>  
>  1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
>  space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
>  low disk space. 
 This seems like a bad idea, we already do:

            dirstat = os.statvfs(po.repo.pkgdir)
            if (dirstat.f_bavail * dirstat.f_bsize) <= long(po.size):
                adderror(po, _('Insufficient space in download directory %s\n'
                        "    * free   %s\n"
                        "    * needed %s") %

...which is done as we download each package. I'm not sure exactly what
feature you want, but I assume something like doing the above check
before we download anything based on "expected total download size" and
then maybe removing some space from what we count as "free"?

-- 
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"I'd just like to see a realistic approach to updates via
 packages." -- Les Mikesell

[Seth Vidal]

On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, James Antill wrote:

>  On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:37 -0500, Sachin wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > Suggestion
> >
> > 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
> > space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
> > low disk space.
>
>  This seems like a bad idea, we already do:
>
>             dirstat = os.statvfs(po.repo.pkgdir)
>             if (dirstat.f_bavail * dirstat.f_bsize) <= long(po.size):
>                 adderror(po, _('Insufficient space in download directory %s\n'
>                         "    * free   %s\n"
>                         "    * needed %s") %
>
>  ...which is done as we download each package. I'm not sure exactly what
>  feature you want, but I assume something like doing the above check
>  before we download anything based on "expected total download size" and
>  then maybe removing some space from what we count as "free"?
>  
I think Sachin wants it to batch the updates in size.
So you do them in batches of 1gb installed + downloaded space at a time.

-sv

[Sachin]

I want exactly what Seth and Uwe are saying.


On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:20 AM, Seth Vidal <skvidal(a)fedoraproject.org&gt;wrote:

>  On Tue, 31 Mar 2009, James Antill wrote:
>
>   On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:37 -0500, Sachin wrote:
> >
> >> Hi
> >>
> >> Suggestion
> >>
> >> 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
> >> space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
> >> low disk space.
> >>
> >
> > This seems like a bad idea, we already do:
> >
> >           dirstat = os.statvfs(po.repo.pkgdir)
> >           if (dirstat.f_bavail * dirstat.f_bsize) <= long(po.size):
> >               adderror(po, _('Insufficient space in download directory
> > %s\n'
> >                       "    * free   %s\n"
> >                       "    * needed %s") %
> >
> > ...which is done as we download each package. I'm not sure exactly what
> > feature you want, but I assume something like doing the above check
> > before we download anything based on "expected total download size" and
> > then maybe removing some space from what we count as "free"?
> >
> >
>  I think Sachin wants it to batch the updates in size.
>  So you do them in batches of 1gb installed + downloaded space at a time.
>
>  -sv
>
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[Rahul Sundaram]

Sachin wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Suggestion
>  
>  1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
>  space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
>  low disk space.
>  2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
>  extensions.checkCompatibility=
>  false 
This often means, extensions will install but not work

>  3) Shutdown splash screen 
Shutdown should be fast enough to not need it

>  4) ext4 (/boot) in grub 
With LVM, you need a separate boot partition anyway and you can continue
having it as Ext3. There is a GRUB patch but it hasn't been integrated yet.

>  Observation:
>  
>  1) Why logout is available at two different place a) under system b) In
>  panel under name 
Probably just as a convenience?

>  2) Preference menu list is too long 
We dropped the sub categories in this release.

https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-February/msg0000...

Install the preferences-menu package if you want it back.

Rahul

[Sachin]

On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:15 AM, Rahul Sundaram <sundaram(a)fedoraproject.org
>  wrote: 
>  Sachin wrote:
>  > Hi
>  >
>  > Suggestion
>  >
>  > 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
>  > space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
>  > low disk space.
>  > 2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
>  > extensions.checkCompatibility=
>  > false
>
>  This often means, extensions will install but not work 

Even if some percentage of extension works. what is the harm not doing it.


>  > 3) Shutdown splash screen
>
>  Shutdown should be fast enough to not need it 

My machine takes 5 second to shutdown with default installation. Does that
count slow or fast ?


>  > 4) ext4 (/boot) in grub
>
>  With LVM, you need a separate boot partition anyway and you can continue
>  having it as Ext3. There is a GRUB patch but it hasn't been integrated yet. 

ok thanks. I will wait to get this fixed.



>  > Observation:
>  >
>  > 1) Why logout is available at two different place a) under system b) In
>  > panel under name
>
>  Probably just as a convenience? 

then why same convenience is not shown to "Shutdown Menu"


>  > 2) Preference menu list is too long
>
>  We dropped the sub categories in this release.
>
>
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-February/msg0000...
>
>  Install the preferences-menu package if you want it back. 

ok thanks. I will wait to get this fixed.


>  Rahul
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[Christopher Aillon]

On 03/31/2009 09:26 AM, Sachin wrote:
> >> 2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
> >> extensions.checkCompatibility=
> >> false
> > This often means, extensions will install but not work
>
>
>  Even if some percentage of extension works. what is the harm not doing it. 
Depending on the extension and the nature of the incompatibility, your 
browser may have some broken functionality, your UI may be broken and 
display XML errors, or you may see reduced stability and increased crashes.

Additionally, it places the burden on the user to manually check for 
say, security updates, to their extensions, thus leaving more people at 
risk for longer than needed.

[Chris Eveleigh]

On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:37 -0500, Sachin wrote:
>  Hi
>  
>  Suggestion
>  
>  1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
>  space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
>  low disk space.
>  2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
>  extensions.checkCompatibility=
>  false
>  3) Shutdown splash screen
>  4) ext4 (/boot) in grub
>  
>  Observation:
>  
>  1) Why logout is available at two different place a) under system b)
>  In panel under name 
this looks like changes in the direction of gnome-shell to me.  see
http://live.gnome.org/Boston2008/GUIHackfest/WindowManagementAndMore and
the 'Exit Strategy document' referred to from that page.

>  2) Preference menu list is too long 
>   
>  Thanks for the great work.
>  
>  Regards,
>  Sachin.
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[Chris Eveleigh]

On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 21:45 +0530, Rahul Sundaram wrote:
>  Sachin wrote:
>  > Hi
>  > 
>  > Suggestion
>  > 
>  > 1) There should be option called --size in yum which can restrict the
>  > space which can be used yum. This would be beneficial to machine with
>  > low disk space.
>  > 2) If firefox 3.1beta is default then please have
>  > extensions.checkCompatibility=
>  > false
>  
>  This often means, extensions will install but not work
>  
>  > 3) Shutdown splash screen
>  
>  Shutdown should be fast enough to not need it 
shouldn't startup be that fast too?  we've gone to a lot of (good)
trouble to get from

text(bios)-graphics-text-graphics-graphics-[graphics-...]-text

down to

text-graphics-text-graphics-text

with the promise of achieving

text-graphics-text

why shouldn't we go for

text-graphics?

:-)

>  
>  > 4) ext4 (/boot) in grub
>  
>  With LVM, you need a separate boot partition anyway and you can continue
>  having it as Ext3. There is a GRUB patch but it hasn't been integrated yet.
>  
>  > Observation:
>  > 
>  > 1) Why logout is available at two different place a) under system b) In
>  > panel under name
>  
>  Probably just as a convenience?
>  
>  > 2) Preference menu list is too long
>  
>  We dropped the sub categories in this release.
>  
>  https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-desktop-list/2009-February/msg0000...
>  
>  Install the preferences-menu package if you want it back.
>  
>  Rahul
>