7:09 a.m.
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 14:08, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
> I'd very much like to see a fullu featured ldap
administration console
> thoug, with specific tools for unix account management and similar. (gq
> is to general)
You might want to have a look at :
https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=499
... which is to narrow again ;)
Atleast the last time I tried it, it
did only users and groups.
A fully featured administrator app should do what gq does, but have
specialized features, like e.g. the app in question here, initialization
wizards for setting up the ldap server, etc.
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8:24 a.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
Yeah but what i ment is that fc2 should come with a fully initialized
ldap server. It's also possible that in a first step only the users and
groups are saved in the ldap. As i said in the first mail, Samba ships
command line tools for adding, modifying and deleting users from a bash
shell. The only thing needed to change is to replace the "normal"
useradd, usermod, userdel, groupadd, groupmod and groupdel by the ones
shipped with samba. For the normal user it wouldn't make any changes in
the "feeling" of the administration. From my point of view, a GUI admin
tool doesn't needs to support all the complete ldap features, it should
only be a easy to use administration interface - excuse this analogy -
like the active directory frontend.
Roland
Nils O. Selåsdal schrieb:
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 14:08, Aurelien Bompard wrote:
>>I'd very much like to see a fullu featured ldap administration console
>>thoug, with specific tools for unix account management and similar. (gq
>>is to general)
>>
>>
>You might want to have a look at :
>https://bugzilla.fedora.us/show_bug.cgi?id=499
>
>
... which is to narrow again ;) Atleast the last time I tried it, it
did only users and groups.
A fully featured administrator app should do what gq does, but have
specialized features, like e.g. the app in question here, initialization
wizards for setting up the ldap server, etc.
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8:40 a.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
While ldap is definitely heavier for single-box systems it might just be
one of those things no one will make work in a satisfactory manner till
it's the default (like UTF-8 was - lots of latin people do not need it
but encoding problems were not solved till unicode was forced on
everyone).
And once basic ldap support is polished I can imagine quite a few wins
even for home users - having your own directory server instead of saving
contacts in dozens of incompatible formats being just one of them.
So the question is - can openldap be trimmed enough to be acceptable for
home users ?
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12:26 p.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 03:24:54PM +0100, Roland Käser wrote:
shell. The only thing needed to change is to replace the
"normal"
useradd, usermod, userdel, groupadd, groupmod and groupdel by the ones
shipped with samba.
That's too LDAP-centric. It's good to make LDAP work better, but
don't do it at the expense of other, equally valid configurations.
Tools that take the system configuration into account are what you
really want. That will work with whatever configuration you have.
And considering the amount of work in the user tools that come by
default, I'd suggest modifying those rather than a wholesale switch
as the best option.
michaelkjohnson
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5:08 p.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 10:26, Michael K. Johnson wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 03:24:54PM +0100, Roland Käser wrote:
> shell. The only thing needed to change is to replace the "normal"
> useradd, usermod, userdel, groupadd, groupmod and groupdel by the ones
> shipped with samba.
That's too LDAP-centric. It's good to make LDAP work better, but
don't do it at the expense of other, equally valid configurations.
Tools that take the system configuration into account are what you
really want. That will work with whatever configuration you have.
And considering the amount of work in the user tools that come by
default, I'd suggest modifying those rather than a wholesale switch
as the best option.
There are fairly easy ways to make it work, though. One approach would
be to use 'alternatives' and install shadow-utils binaries as
'useradd.files', LDAP utilities as 'useradd.ldap', etc. Or, take the
'fsck' approach and have a front-end program that determines which
backend to use at runtime, and runs 'useradd.ldap' when LDAP is
configured.
Wil
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6:10 p.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 03:08:20PM -0800, Wil Cooley wrote:
There are fairly easy ways to make it work, though. One approach would
Wouldn't it be easier to keep things the way they are now (ie stay
with the multiple files way of doing things as default and make choosing
LDAP as easy as clicking on a checkbox)?
Emmanuel
6:27 p.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 16:10, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 03:08:20PM -0800, Wil Cooley wrote:
>
> There are fairly easy ways to make it work, though. One approach would
Wouldn't it be easier to keep things the way they are now (ie stay
with the multiple files way of doing things as default and make choosing
LDAP as easy as clicking on a checkbox)?
Well, from the context of switching, yes, it would. The infrastructure
I described (and I am not advocating making LDAP the default) would be
one way to make it work--i.e., authconfig runs 'alernatives' or sets
whatever setting appropriate for the front-end 'useradd'.
Wil
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3:02 a.m.
New subject: FC2 and general LDAP Support
Le jeu 27/11/2003 à 01:27, Wil Cooley a écrit :
On Wed, 2003-11-26 at 16:10, Emmanuel Seyman wrote:
> On Wed, Nov 26, 2003 at 03:08:20PM -0800, Wil Cooley wrote:
> >
> > There are fairly easy ways to make it work, though. One approach would
>
> Wouldn't it be easier to keep things the way they are now (ie stay
> with the multiple files way of doing things as default and make choosing
> LDAP as easy as clicking on a checkbox)?
Well, from the context of switching, yes, it would.
However like for kernel 2.4 v 2.6 you won't achieve the same level of
integration/quality unless you choose a single method as default.
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