Re: Files in /etc/xdg/autostart should be declared as %config(noreplace)

[Edgar Hoch]

I agree - see the last section of my mail. Your approach is better.

But how do we get this approach to Fedora? Who is responsible for changeing the package
guidelines and changing the packages (possibly even for Fedora 26?)?


Am 27.04.2017 um 14:57 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> wrong approach
> 
> go the systemd way
> 
> * distribution only installs to /usr/lib/xdg/autostart
> * /etc/xdg/autostart with the same name to override by admin
> * create a symlink to /dev/null for disable saomething completly
> 
> that is all much saner than the .rpmnew / .rpmsave dance
> 
> Am 27.04.2017 um 14:52 schrieb Edgar Hoch:
>> I want to start a discussion about xdg autostart.
>>
>> The problem is that system adminstrators should be able to install packages so
software is available for users, but they should be able to configure which programs are
autostarted on desktop login.
>>
>> Currently, I can modify files in /etc/xdg/autostart, and add a line
"Hidden=true" or something like "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;", or I can remove
files in this directory. But after an update of the package this file belongs to the file
is overwritten with the original file of the package, so my changes are lost
>>
>> For example, in our university environment I don't want to autostart services
like syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
tracker-store.desktop zeitgeist-datahub.desktop at all as a default for all users (users
can change it for themselfs), and services like baloo_file.desktop firewall-applet.desktop
gnome-software-service.desktop kdeconnectd.desktop sealertauto.desktop
syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
tracker-store.desktop xpad.desktop xscreensaver-autostart.desktop
zeitgeist-datahub.desktop should not start when using GNOME.
>>
>> The problem is that non (?) of the packages declare files in /etc/xdg/autostart
as %config(noreplace). But in practice these files are configuration files.
>>
>> There should be any mechanism for administators to change the default of
autostarting desktop services systemwide for all and for specific desktops.
>> One possibility would be not to overwrite these files on package updates.
>>
>> A better solution would be to store system defaults in /usr (for example, in
/usr/share/xdg/autostart), and let /etc free for administrator purposes, as it was
designed for systemd in /etc/systemd/system - where I can overwirte systemd services, or
disable them all. Moreover better would be a command line interface (and a _working_
graphical interface) to configure autostart services systemwide and for individual users

Files in /etc/xdg/autostart should be declared as %config(noreplace)

[Vít Ondruch]

Dne 27.4.2017 v 15:49 Edgar Hoch napsal(a):
>  I agree - see the last section of my mail. Your approach is better.
>
>  But how do we get this approach to Fedora? Who is responsible for changeing the package
> guidelines and changing the packages (possibly even for Fedora 26?)? 
Anybody can bring packaging concerns to:

https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Packaging_Committee


Vít


>  Am 27.04.2017 um 14:57 schrieb Reindl Harald:
> > wrong approach
> >
> > go the systemd way
> >
> > * distribution only installs to /usr/lib/xdg/autostart
> > * /etc/xdg/autostart with the same name to override by admin
> > * create a symlink to /dev/null for disable saomething completly
> >
> > that is all much saner than the .rpmnew / .rpmsave dance
> >
> > Am 27.04.2017 um 14:52 schrieb Edgar Hoch:
> >> I want to start a discussion about xdg autostart.
> >>
> >> The problem is that system adminstrators should be able to install packages so
> software is available for users, but they should be able to configure which programs are
> autostarted on desktop login.
> >>
> >> Currently, I can modify files in /etc/xdg/autostart, and add a line
> "Hidden=true" or something like "OnlyShowIn=XFCE;", or I can remove
> files in this directory. But after an update of the package this file belongs to the file
> is overwritten with the original file of the package, so my changes are lost
> >>
> >> For example, in our university environment I don't want to autostart services
> like syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
> tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
> tracker-store.desktop zeitgeist-datahub.desktop at all as a default for all users (users
> can change it for themselfs), and services like baloo_file.desktop firewall-applet.desktop
> gnome-software-service.desktop kdeconnectd.desktop sealertauto.desktop
> syncevo-dbus-server.desktop tracker-extract.desktop tracker-miner-apps.desktop
> tracker-miner-fs.desktop tracker-miner-rss.desktop tracker-miner-user-guides.desktop
> tracker-store.desktop xpad.desktop xscreensaver-autostart.desktop
> zeitgeist-datahub.desktop should not start when using GNOME.
> >>
> >> The problem is that non (?) of the packages declare files in /etc/xdg/autostart
> as %config(noreplace). But in practice these files are configuration files.
> >>
> >> There should be any mechanism for administators to change the default of
> autostarting desktop services systemwide for all and for specific desktops.
> >> One possibility would be not to overwrite these files on package updates.
> >>
> >> A better solution would be to store system defaults in /usr (for example, in
> /usr/share/xdg/autostart), and let /etc free for administrator purposes, as it was
> designed for systemd in /etc/systemd/system - where I can overwirte systemd services, or
> disable them all. Moreover better would be a command line interface (and a _working_
> graphical interface) to configure autostart services systemwide and for individual users
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