8:31 a.m.
Please look at these two bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
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8:51 a.m.
On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
Please look at these two bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
Neither of the kernels mentioned in the bug reports there are the same as
that on RC2, namely 3194. Which suspends and hibernated perfectly on my
Thinkpad T42 by the way.
Regards
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8:54 a.m.
On 5/28/07, Chris Brown <snecklifter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> Please look at these two bugs:
>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
>
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
>
> If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
> this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
> suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
Neither of the kernels mentioned in the bug reports there are the same as
that on RC2, namely 3194. Which suspends and hibernated perfectly on my
Thinkpad T42 by the way.
Regards
Chris
So you say if I install 3194 kernel my laptop should resume also?
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9:17 a.m.
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 15:54 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
On 5/28/07, Chris Brown <snecklifter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > Please look at these two bugs:
> >
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
> >
> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
> >
> > If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
> > this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
> > suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
>
> Neither of the kernels mentioned in the bug reports there are the same as
> that on RC2, namely 3194. Which suspends and hibernated perfectly on my
> Thinkpad T42 by the way.
>
>
> Regards
> Chris
>
So you say if I install 3194 kernel my laptop should resume also?
You should at least try that kernel, since that is what will currently
be shipping for Fedora 7. It's known to not boot on some Dell laptops.
josh
9:41 a.m.
On 5/28/07, Josh Boyer <jwboyer(a)jdub.homelinux.org> wrote:
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 15:54 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
> On 5/28/07, Chris Brown <snecklifter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 28/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> > > Please look at these two bugs:
> > >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
> > >
> > https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
> > >
> > > If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
> > > this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
> > > suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
> >
> > Neither of the kernels mentioned in the bug reports there are the same as
> > that on RC2, namely 3194. Which suspends and hibernated perfectly on my
> > Thinkpad T42 by the way.
> >
> >
> > Regards
> > Chris
> >
>
> So you say if I install 3194 kernel my laptop should resume also?
You should at least try that kernel, since that is what will currently
be shipping for Fedora 7. It's known to not boot on some Dell laptops.
josh
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12:25 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 15:31 +0200, Valent Turkovic wrote:
Please look at these two bugs:
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241310
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
Suspend/resume bugs, though unfortunate, are *not* release blockers.
Read the release criteria:
http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/QA/ReleaseCriteria
It's just not possible to fix *every bug*, and bugs that keep people
from being able to install or boot their systems take priority.
If there's a kernel problem causing suspend/resume failures we'll be
working to fix that with an update sometime shortly after F7 is
released.
-w
12:57 p.m.
On Mon, 2007-05-28 at 09:29 -0800, Jeff Spaleta wrote:
On 5/28/07, Will Woods <wwoods(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> If there's a kernel problem causing suspend/resume failures we'll be
> working to fix that with an update sometime shortly after F7 is
> released.
Dare I hope for a zero day update?
Sure, it's possible. It's even more likely if you can help do
debugging / testing to make it happen.. but I can't *guarantee* that the
problem will be fixed by Thursday. Alas.
-w
1:43 p.m.
On 5/28/07, Will Woods <wwoods(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Sure, it's possible. It's even more likely if you can help
do
debugging / testing to make it happen.. but I can't *guarantee* that the
problem will be fixed by Thursday. Alas.
I think people have narrowed things down to the specific kernel which
started having the problem. The real pain is going to be figuring out
the specific patchset betwen the kernel versions which is the culprit.
But dave is currently spending his roundtoit's doing exactly that
sort of analysis for the more serious problem of the boot issue for
the dell lappies. Hopefully I can find a way to bribe dave to help
find the suspend issue with a serious of test kernel builds after he's
done dissecting the boot problem.
-jef
4:03 p.m.
On 5/28/07, Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/28/07, Will Woods <wwoods(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Sure, it's possible. It's even more likely if you can help do
> debugging / testing to make it happen.. but I can't *guarantee* that the
> problem will be fixed by Thursday. Alas.
I think people have narrowed things down to the specific kernel which
started having the problem. The real pain is going to be figuring out
the specific patchset betwen the kernel versions which is the culprit.
But dave is currently spending his roundtoit's doing exactly that
sort of analysis for the more serious problem of the boot issue for
the dell lappies. Hopefully I can find a way to bribe dave to help
find the suspend issue with a serious of test kernel builds after he's
done dissecting the boot problem.
-jef
I just finished installing, updating, testing, rebooting... and after
5 hours of testing I can claim that the current F7 kernel 3194 has a
major bug preventing laptops to resume.
I installed Fedora Live CD 20070517 with kernel 3163 on my HP Compay
nx7300 laptop and suspend works great with quirks (I just sent patches
for HAL regarding this). After updating to latest updated version of
all packages except kernel suspend/resume still works great.
When I update kernel to 3194 suspend works great but resume freezes
the laptop. There. :)
If you need more proof please tell me.
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1:10 a.m.
Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic <at> gmail.com> writes:
If indeed new kernels break suspend and they ship with fedora 7 then
this will be one lousy launch because most laptops will not be able to
suspend/resume fedora out-of-the-box!
Got sick of figuring out what was causing hangs on resume on my Dell Inspiron
6400, so I just put this brute force measure in /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules:
DISABLE_SUSPEND='yes'
SUSPEND_MODULES="`cat /proc/modules | cut -f 1 -d ' '`"
Mind you, this only helps with hibernate/thaw, but not suspend/resume, as you
can see above.
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3:20 a.m.
On Tue, 2007-05-29 at 06:10 +0000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Got sick of figuring out what was causing hangs on resume on my Dell
Inspiron
6400, so I just put this brute force measure
in /etc/pm/config.d/unload_modules:
DISABLE_SUSPEND='yes'
SUSPEND_MODULES="`cat /proc/modules | cut -f 1 -d ' '`"
Probably not the best plan. Can you narrow down the module that is
preventing hibernation?
Richard.
7:41 a.m.
On 5/29/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
> I just finished installing, updating, testing, rebooting... and after
> 5 hours of testing I can claim that the current F7 kernel 3194 has a
> major bug preventing laptops to resume.
Maybe your laptop. It works fine for me on my Vaio.
Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
great with a bit older kernel.
If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
- so please go read it first.
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=240964
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8:32 a.m.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases
of
this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
great with a bit older kernel.
If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
- so please go read it first.
My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
8:46 a.m.
On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
Valent Turkovic wrote:
> Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
> this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
> great with a bit older kernel.
> If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
> - so please go read it first.
My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
Ok, I misunderstood you.
I'll hold you for what you said :) Please make suspend work as soon as
possible... because it is a really useful feature when it works.
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8:48 a.m.
On 5/30/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
> > this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
> > great with a bit older kernel.
> > If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
> > - so please go read it first.
>
> My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
> suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
> release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
Ok, I misunderstood you.
I'll hold you for what you said :) Please make suspend work as soon as
possible... because it is a really useful feature when it works.
I forgot to ask... does that mean that you'll probably fix it in F7 or
I shouldn't place any bets before F9 ?
9:41 a.m.
Valent Turkovic wrote:
On 5/30/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
> On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
> > > this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
> > > great with a bit older kernel.
> > > If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
> > > - so please go read it first.
> >
> > My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
> > suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
> > release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
>
> Ok, I misunderstood you.
> I'll hold you for what you said :) Please make suspend work as soon as
> possible... because it is a really useful feature when it works.
I forgot to ask... does that mean that you'll probably fix it in F7 or
I shouldn't place any bets before F9 ?
It is not going to be a blocker for any release. It will continue to
incrementally improve as it has.
Rahul
9:47 a.m.
On 30/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
> > this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
> > great with a bit older kernel.
> > If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
> > - so please go read it first.
>
> My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
> suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
> release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
Ok, I misunderstood you.
I'll hold you for what you said :) Please make suspend work as soon as
possible... because it is a really useful feature when it works.
There are plenty of people working on it. If you would like to help in the
effort then developers need feedback on what is breaking for you and to that
end you can have fun learning the intricacies of gdb and git-bisect. I also
imagine if you subscribe to the kernel-devel mailing list and provide as
much feedback as possible when suspend/resume breaks for you you will get
things fixed quicker. You may also wish to consider testing development
kernels.
http://people.redhat.com/davej/kernels/Fedora
Cheers
Chris
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11:12 a.m.
On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
I've got an affected system. I'd be more than happy to chew on some
test kernels from koji designed to figure out what specifically made
resume stop working between test4 and release. Sadly my kernel-fu
isn't advanced enough to do the forensics on my own to narrow down the
specific changes to the kernel that introduced the resume bug.
-jef"So what if the resume doesn't work, and using the hardware switch
for the wireless freaks the boot process out, or the brightness adjust
button actions are acting wonky, or that the NM managed wireless
doesn't work when the laptop is in the dock....ss long as my
thinklight{tm} still works I'm happy."spaleta
11:24 a.m.
On 30/05/07, Jeff Spaleta <jspaleta(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
> suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
> release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
I've got an affected system. I'd be more than happy to chew on some
test kernels from koji designed to figure out what specifically made
resume stop working between test4 and release. Sadly my kernel-fu
isn't advanced enough to do the forensics on my own to narrow down the
specific changes to the kernel that introduced the resume bug.
-jef"So what if the resume doesn't work, and using the hardware switch
for the wireless freaks the boot process out, or the brightness adjust
button actions are acting wonky, or that the NM managed wireless
doesn't work when the laptop is in the dock....ss long as my
thinklight{tm} still works I'm happy."spaleta
Maybe someone can point folks in the direction of a good kernel debugging
tutorial or provide some pointers. Something like:
http://www.reactivated.net/weblog/archives/2006/01/using-git-bisect-to-fi...
Cheers
Chris "Jef, check out the commits that are going in for us Thinkpad users at
http://hughsient.livejournal.com/27576.html " Brown
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6:20 p.m.
Richard Hughes <hughsient <at> gmail.com> writes:
Probably not the best plan. Can you narrow down the module that is
preventing hibernation?
It's not really a plan. It's more like "I need this machine to hibernate
_now_"
kind of thing. Once I find out what's actually causing the hangs, I'll report
back. Several hours of playing with usual suspects like iwl3945 and USB modules
didn't give me much. So, I got a bit tired of it, as I needed the box to
actually do some work.
BTW, suspend to RAM actually does work (with clocksource=acpi_pm option passed
to kernel on boot, which also avoids disabling one core by passing in maxcpus=1,
see: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=241249), but the
system is painfully slow on resume (I'm guessing something to do with wireless,
which I don't even use, but not sure). Not worth the trouble at this point.
Hibernate should do.
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8:28 p.m.
Richard Hughes <hughsient <at> gmail.com> writes:
Probably not the best plan. Can you narrow down the module that is
preventing hibernation?
Speaking of which, here is my lsmod:
---------------------------------------
Module Size Used by
i915 25793 3
drm 78037 4 i915
hidp 26433 2
rfcomm 43481 0
l2cap 30145 10 hidp,rfcomm
bluetooth 57125 5 hidp,rfcomm,l2cap
sunrpc 159133 1
ipv6 276673 30
cpufreq_ondemand 11981 1
acpi_cpufreq 14281 1
dm_mirror 24405 0
dm_mod 57485 1 dm_mirror
video 21065 0
sbs 19173 0
i2c_ec 9281 1 sbs
button 12113 0
dock 13669 0
battery 14149 0
ac 9413 0
parport_pc 29797 0
lp 15977 0
parport 38025 2 parport_pc,lp
loop 19785 0
snd_hda_intel 24281 2
snd_hda_codec 202689 1 snd_hda_intel
snd_seq_dummy 7877 0
snd_seq_oss 33345 0
b44 29517 0
snd_seq_midi_event 11073 1 snd_seq_oss
iwl3945 141477 0
snd_seq 50353 5 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq_midi_event
mac80211 136005 1 iwl3945
sdhci 21069 0
fw_ohci 19649 0
serio_raw 10821 0
cfg80211 12105 1 mac80211
snd_seq_device 11852 3 snd_seq_dummy,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq
mmc_core 30661 1 sdhci
fw_core 42625 1 fw_ohci
mii 9409 1 b44
snd_pcm_oss 43489 0
snd_mixer_oss 19393 2 snd_pcm_oss
sr_mod 20197 0
snd_pcm 74565 3 snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_pcm_oss
cdrom 37217 1 sr_mod
snd_timer 24773 2 snd_seq,snd_pcm
snd 53189 11
snd_hda_intel,snd_hda_codec,snd_seq_oss,snd_seq,snd_seq_device,snd_pcm_oss,
snd_mixer_oss,snd_pcm,snd_timer
soundcore 11553 2 snd
snd_page_alloc 13769 2 snd_hda_intel,snd_pcm
iTCO_wdt 14693 0
iTCO_vendor_support 7877 1 iTCO_wdt
joydev 13441 0
pcspkr 7105 0
i2c_i801 12241 0
i2c_core 24641 2 i2c_ec,i2c_i801
sg 37213 0
ata_piix 18757 5
ata_generic 12101 0
libata 115417 2 ata_piix,ata_generic
sd_mod 23873 6
scsi_mod 137549 4 sr_mod,sg,libata,sd_mod
ext3 125385 4
jbd 59881 1 ext3
mbcache 12357 1 ext3
ehci_hcd 35405 0
ohci_hcd 23749 0
uhci_hcd 26833 0
---------------------------------------
Anything that comes to mind that I should try? I tried wireless, USB, firewire
so far - no luck...
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2:05 a.m.
On 5/30/07, Chris Brown <snecklifter(a)gmail.com> wrote:
On 30/05/07, Valent Turkovic <valent.turkovic(a)gmail.com>
wrote:
> On 5/30/07, Christopher Aillon <caillon(a)redhat.com> wrote:
> > Valent Turkovic wrote:
> > > Other people have posted this bug not me, so there are other cases of
> > > this kernel breaking suspend! It is not my laptop because it suspends
> > > great with a bit older kernel.
> > > If you have read my bugzilla report you have seen lots of proof there
> > > - so please go read it first.
> >
> > My point was yes it breaks for some people, but not all. Besides,
> > suspend has been broken for a long time, so it being broken one more
> > release is not a blocker. We'll fix it as soon as we can.
>
> Ok, I misunderstood you.
> I'll hold you for what you said :) Please make suspend work as soon as
> possible... because it is a really useful feature when it works.
There are plenty of people working on it. If you would like to help in the
effort then developers need feedback on what is breaking for you and to that
end you can have fun learning the intricacies of gdb and git-bisect. I also
imagine if you subscribe to the kernel-devel mailing list and provide as
much feedback as possible when suspend/resume breaks for you you will get
things fixed quicker. You may also wish to consider testing development
kernels.
http://people.redhat.com/davej/kernels/Fedora
Cheers
Chris
I want to help but I need to learn how to give you guys quality
feedback. I thought that people will point me sooner to some wiki page
or some other resource that gives me info and knowledge on how to use
debug ans such tools and how to submit feedback.
I'm all for it!
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7:21 a.m.
On Sat, 2007-06-02 at 04:22 +0000, Bojan Smojver wrote:
Bojan Smojver <bojan <at> rexursive.com> writes:
> Once I find out what's actually causing the hangs, I'll report
> back.
Surprisingly enough, it's b44. That didn't need to be blacklisted in FC6. Looks
like a regression.
Can you file it in kernel bugzilla please. Thanks,
Richard,
8:44 a.m.
Richard Hughes <hughsient <at> gmail.com> writes:
Can you file it in kernel bugzilla please. Thanks,
https://bugzilla.redhat.com/bugzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=242234
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