Am 25.01.2014 22:05, schrieb Haïkel Guémar:
Le 25/01/2014 21:38, Reindl Harald a écrit :
> first:
>
> be sure after the style of replies like yours i will
> hestitate try to make compilemts again in the public
> because the aggresive way you react leads nowhere else
> then flamewars
I'd rather have you stop starting or feeding flamewars as you actively did this month
than
these kind of "compliments"
"as you actively did this month" - where?
> wow - even if someone makes a compliment it is taken rude -
impressive
>
> the difference shortly before a new RHEL release is that the timeframe
> is *much* more important for the RH folks than some random release
>
> accept it or not - you can't change the facts - period
You implied (and still imply) that most of the work is done by RH, belittling the
volunteer contributors
*no i did not* you only read it like that
Off course, Red Hat is an important stakeholder in Fedora, but they
acknowledge that they're not
the ones driving the project it's the community
yes, but they pay people to dedicate their full time and if that people
are doing bug-triage and only bug-triage for relevant components they
find more than a person working at free time for Fedora can do
not to belittle anybody
simply the fact a day has only 24 hours
That's why we dropped along the "Core/extras"
distinctions, that's why the effective technical leadership is
handled by the Fesco (a true community body) and that's why we're still
sponsored by Red Hat.
But let's say that it was a naive statement from you
no, you only took it as abuse because you wanted to do so
Remember that Fesco actually delayed systemd inclusion by one release
for very same reason:
"not to rush things".
At that time, it worked perfectly fine and we could have included it.
one release too early, 100% for sure
systemd and oterh services working with it in F16 was somehow OK
the release state of F15 was completly unacceptable for anybody
outside the "my personal computer" area
One funny thing is that without a community contributor (i mean JBG),
the transition to systemd
would have been much longer. No needs to wear a Red Hat to have an impact in Fedora.
again: my intention was *not* to belittle anybody
So you wanted to compliment the community, why did you felt the need
to end it by an
unrelated statement about systemd?
because it *has* serious regressions in F20 which are acceptable
on a desktop, otehrwise i would not have written a mail woth the
subject "general compliment for F19/F20"
but hey are a problem on a server
sorry that i am one of them driving a lot of servers with Fedora and care baout
Do you honestly think that if we continued with upstart and crappy
sysV init scripts,
we would have had less issues or less critical issues ?
where did i say that?
i only honestly know if MySQL and some other services would have been migrated
to systemd in the first release replace upstart i would not felt that often
tempted to throw all the IT out of the next windows and with F16 that things
where *mostly* fine while some services are still not converted or at least
where not a few months ago :-)